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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:42 pm 
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Hansbrough will be a double double player. I say he is a mixture of Brad Miller and Nocioni. I've been high on him for a while.


Like you were high on Beasley over Rose?


We all miss one every now and then. Not even the biggest Rose fan expected him to be as good as he was his first year though.



I did. Go to the ESPN Bulls board and ask them who was telling them that Rose was going to be one of the greatest pg's to ever play the game since his junior year in high school. Guarantee they say me. (my name is Sonny there).

And anyone who wanted Beasley over Rose has ZERO credibility when it comes to rating prospects as far as I'm concerned. If you couldn't tell that Rose was better than Beasley and it was a no brainer then why should anyone listen to your opinions on any other prospects?

Everyone misses one every once in awhile, but not when its a no brainer.

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Hanbrough can be a solid end of the rotation type of player. Nothing wrong with that. And in this draft, which may be one of the worst of all time, getting a solid end of the rotation wouldn't be a bad thing.

If it matters how solid the end of your rotation is, that means you have a bad team.

That's not true at all. So you're saying that any team with a good second unit is a bad team? That might be one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on a message board.

If you disagree, fine. No need to be insulting about it.

And I stand by what I posted. Read what I wrote. I didn't say, "any team with a good second unit is a bad team." I said, "If it matters how solid the end of your rotation is, that means you have a bad team." There is a difference. Most good teams barely even use the "end of the rotation" players unless it's the 4th quarter and there's a 20-point margin in the score. Watch any Laker games this season? When's the last time you saw Adam Morrison, Chris Mihm, or Didier Ilunga-Mbenga on the court? Those are "end of the rotation" guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
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I knew about the guy his freshman year in high school. Hambric would have won the city and possibly state if it were not for his no freshmen on varsity rule. I don't know anyone who didn't think Rose would be good and had the potential to be a stud. I also don't know anyone that thought he would be that good that fast. I thought it would take 3 years and didn't think playing in Chicago would be good for him. That's why I thought Beasley was the safe pick. If that means I have no credibility in your world that's fine. I like living in mine.



That explanation fails big time. If you "knew" that Rose would eventually be a stud then there's no way you would opt for a safe pick just because you thought you might have to wait a few years for Rose to develop. If you "knew" Rose was going to be a stud then he would be the safe pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
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If you disagree, fine. No need to be insulting about it.

And I stand by what I posted. Read what I wrote. I didn't say, "any team with a good second unit is a bad team." I said, "If it matters how solid the end of your rotation is, that means you have a bad team." There is a difference. Most good teams barely even use the "end of the rotation" players unless it's the 4th quarter and there's a 20-point margin in the score. Watch any Laker games this season? When's the last time you saw Adam Morrison, Chris Mihm, or Didier Ilunga-Mbenga on the court? Those are "end of the rotation" guys.


End of rotation is, by definition, players that are part of the rotation and therefore play. If a team has a 10 man rotation, end of the rotation is the 8,9,10 players.

And sorry, but your explanation doesn't make any sense at all.

Every good team has solid players throughout its entire rotation.

Every quality team in Bulls history has had a great second unit, whether you're talking about the first 3 titles, the second 3 titles or even the team a couple years ago that had Chandler and Nocioni coming off the bench.

If you think getting a solid second unit player in mid to late first round in a TERRIBLE draft is a bad thing then I stand by my earlier insult.


And yes, it is necessary to insult, this is the internet. And I'm really really tough.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
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If you disagree, fine. No need to be insulting about it.

And I stand by what I posted. Read what I wrote. I didn't say, "any team with a good second unit is a bad team." I said, "If it matters how solid the end of your rotation is, that means you have a bad team." There is a difference. Most good teams barely even use the "end of the rotation" players unless it's the 4th quarter and there's a 20-point margin in the score. Watch any Laker games this season? When's the last time you saw Adam Morrison, Chris Mihm, or Didier Ilunga-Mbenga on the court? Those are "end of the rotation" guys.


End of rotation is, by definition, players that are part of the rotation and therefore play. If a team has a 10 man rotation, end of the rotation is the 8,9,10 players.

And sorry, but your explanation doesn't make any sense at all.

Every good team has solid players throughout its entire rotation.

Every quality team in Bulls history has had a great second unit, whether you're talking about the first 3 titles, the second 3 titles or even the team a couple years ago that had Chandler and Nocioni coming off the bench.

If you think getting a solid second unit player in mid to late first round in a TERRIBLE draft is a bad thing then I stand by my earlier insult.


And yes, it is necessary to insult, this is the internet. And I'm really really tough.

I guess you told me...

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:07 pm 
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I knew about the guy his freshman year in high school. Hambric would have won the city and possibly state if it were not for his no freshmen on varsity rule. I don't know anyone who didn't think Rose would be good and had the potential to be a stud. I also don't know anyone that thought he would be that good that fast. I thought it would take 3 years and didn't think playing in Chicago would be good for him. That's why I thought Beasley was the safe pick. If that means I have no credibility in your world that's fine. I like living in mine.



That explanation fails big time. If you "knew" that Rose would eventually be a stud then there's no way you would opt for a safe pick just because you thought you might have to wait a few years for Rose to develop. If you "knew" Rose was going to be a stud then he would be the safe pick.

Sorry, but you fail.


That's fine. I guess in your world you've never known a guy with a lot of potential to never reach it. Thanks for all the knowledge.




So now you're changing your story? First you say you knew Rose was gonna be a stud and now you're saying you weren't sure he would reach his potential. Obviously you're just full of crap.

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Every good team has solid players throughout its entire rotation.


Completely false. The 2nd unit for the Cavs was horrible this year. The bench for the Lakers was adequate at best during their three-peat. Even this year the Lakers bench is not very good at all without Odom, who should be starting over Bynum who is not a quality starter right now.

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Every good team has solid players throughout its entire rotation.


Completely false. The 2nd unit for the Cavs was horrible this year. The bench for the Lakers was adequate at best during their three-peat. Even this year the Lakers bench is not very good at all without Odom, who should be starting over Bynum who is not a quality starter right now.


I think the league as a whole is watered down and I don't see any teams that have a solid two units on their roster.


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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:15 pm 
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There's a rumor going around that BJ Mullens had tweeted that the Bulls have given him a guarantee that they'll draft him @ 16 if he's available.

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:48 pm 
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Whats the scoop on him?

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Any time you can add a guy that puts up 9 and 5 in the Big 10, well, you gotta do that.

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So is this guy a skinnier and a little more athletic version of the White Panther?

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IMO he is a huge risk but if he reaches his potential it may be worth the risk. If I had a choice between him and Hansbrough I'm going with Tyler.

Yeah, he's a "project." Not real high on "projects" these days.

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I admit to knowing nothing about the NBA, and not much about basketball in general, but dear God, why on earth would you ever pick B.J. Mullens over Tyler Hansborough? It seems like one of those "so overrated he's becoming really underrated" type of situations.

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I admit to knowing nothing about the NBA, and not much about basketball in general, but dear God, why on earth would you ever pick B.J. Mullens over Tyler Hansborough? It seems like one of those "so overrated he's becoming really underrated" type of situations.

i agree...he wont be great...but hell be a servicable NBA player

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 Post subject: Re: Bulls Draft
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I admit to knowing nothing about the NBA, and not much about basketball in general, but dear God, why on earth would you ever pick B.J. Mullens over Tyler Hansborough? It seems like one of those "so overrated he's becoming really underrated" type of situations.

Average players in the NBA don't really mean much. Tyler Hansbrough has a clear ceiling and will get destroyed by above average players at his position. His weaknesses will cause him to be a liability against the other team unless they have a player with similar weaknesses. Even a player like Tyrus Thomas will dominate him in the NBA on athleticisim alone.

BJ Mullens sucks right now. He's also an asshole. He wasn't a team player at OSU and not very popular. However, he's a 7 footer and there is a chance he becomes a player that won't be a liability. He's not going to be a dominant center but he'll be able to matchup with nearly anyone else in the NBA unless they are an all-star.

The chance to add a player like that is better than taking a player who you can project fairly certainly how they will be. In the NBA, you can take many more chances in the draft because you don't really build depth through the draft like in the NFL. If the pick fails, you can sign a free agent, or you can fill it with another pick the next year.

In my opinion, the only thing that matters in the NBA is how good your best player is, how good your second best player is, and then if you have one good role player who provides a third dimension to your offense. The rest is all filler and fairly interchangeable. You can look at just about every championship team and it follows this model and these three players were better than the other teams.

BJ Mullens could be the role player who provides rebounding, defense, and a post presence. Tyler Hansbrough is part of the filler.

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id guarantee that too since hes staying in school

ya that was my point...and I see his dad at the parking lot every morning...So Im in the know!!! :lol:


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I'm officially declaring Gerald Henderson to be "my guy" for this draft. I also think he may be the reason the Bulls are looking to move up, as he's expected to go to Charlotte @ 12. Pretty excited for Thursday.

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I'm officially declaring Gerald Henderson to be "my guy" for this draft. I .

Sorry, i already called him.


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What is exciting about Henderson?

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What is exciting about Henderson?

He's got a good basketball name.


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What is exciting about Henderson?

I don't think there's too much exciting about individual players in this draft; most agree, it's a weak draft. That said, I'm excited about the general prospect of change for the Bulls; do Gordon/Hinrich/Deng stay, or go? Do the Bulls draft one guy, 2 guys, or none? Who do the Bulls draft? It's just all a big mystery at this point, really. As for as my Henderson love, I just think he's a nice player that could pair well with Rose. All that said, he is a fairly exiting player: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zzPe2rZxSY. Biggest knock I see on Henderson is that he isn't the sort to take over big games, but then, when you're building your team around Rose, having a solid role-player type at #2 with athleticism and good defense isn't a bad thing.

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That's true, too. Lots of good nicknames that play off the "G" thing.

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I'd love to see Deng go, but isn't he a base-year player, thus making him very difficult to move?

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Yes, but his BYC status will expire this summer.


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Yes, but his BYC status will expire this summer.


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There's kinda some breaking news in the Bulls draft front. Apparently, the Bulls are going to have Blair/Mullens/Johnson back for a second workout tomorrow. Many over at RealGM believes this means that the Bulls have it down to these 3, with one-on-one work being the deciding factor. It's unclear over there whether workouts can still be held on Wednesday, where it's been theorized that the Bulls could do the same with potential 2 guards, such as Henderson/Williams.

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Isn't Blair the guy with the "missing" ACL?

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Bulls need to find a way to deal these 2 picks. Like Berns said, they don't need anymore young guys. If they do make the picks, please no Bloody Whitey. It would only be entertaining the day after, to hear B&B rip on him.

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Isn't Blair the guy with the "missing" ACL?

Yeah, he's got knee issues. And he's undersized at the 4. He's supposed to be a spectacular rebounder, though.

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