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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:40 am 
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what exactly do you expect the Cubs to do?

Grow some balls, and order him to see a shrink before he gets his next paycheck.


Yeah, I am sure that will change Zambrano into a calm ballplayer :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:43 am 
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Its a far better option than what is between his ears right now.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:27 pm 
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Of course, I guess the Cubs should just keep doing what they've been doing with Zambrano, because each act of this comedic tragedy is better than the preceeding one.


I was baffled why you were complaining and harping on Z being a "problem" for the Cubs when you delight in what ails the Cubs. Shut up and enjoy your Schadenfreude soup. :lol: :roll:
Jesus, but he must owe you money.
Z is nuttier than squirrel shit, no doubt.
Could he be better if he got his issues under control? Wouldn't we all be? Z is a very good pitcher who, for reasons beyond sense and sanity, seems to piss you off. Keep up the good work.

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Phil is on CTL trying to justify this dumbass article he wrote. Like B&B have said, your newspaper sucks if hes your #1 baseball writer.

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Phil is on CTL trying to justify this dumbass article he wrote. Like B&B have said, your newspaper sucks if hes your #1 baseball writer.


I'm just surprised people around him today are sucking his dick, I heard him on this morning with M&H and they were saying how it took a lot of stones for him to write this, and they were glad that someone finally said something. And now on CTL they are doing the same thing :roll: someone needs to standup to this dbag and tell him that he is a fucking moron.

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According to an update to this story in the Trib a majority of voters seem to think the Cubs should dump him. This proves that a majority of the voters are brainless baseball dumbasses.

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Shot across the bow? I think Jim Leyland would call that high school shit.

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In a poll taken this afternoon, 57.2 percent of Chicago Tribune readers agreed with Phil Rogers, who opined Monday morning that the Cubs should waive Carlos Zambrano.


what a joke. lets just waive zambrano and put shawn marshall in his place


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In a poll taken this afternoon, 57.2 percent of Chicago Tribune readers agreed with Phil Rogers, who opined Monday morning that the Cubs should waive Carlos Zambrano.

In related news, recent studies have shown that 57.2 percent of Cub fans are meatballs.

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Douchebag wrote:
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In a poll taken this afternoon, 57.2 percent of Chicago Tribune readers agreed with Phil Rogers, who opined Monday morning that the Cubs should waive Carlos Zambrano.

In related news, recent studies have shown that 57.2 percent of Cub fans are meatballs.

So you think that they were Cub fans? i think you have to assume that a minimum of 30% of those voters were meatbally Sox fans who would love to see an ace removed from the team and replaced with a bag of baseballs. I mean how do you think Frank voted?

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Darkside wrote:
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In a poll taken this afternoon, 57.2 percent of Chicago Tribune readers agreed with Phil Rogers, who opined Monday morning that the Cubs should waive Carlos Zambrano.

In related news, recent studies have shown that 57.2 percent of Cub fans are meatballs.

So you think that they were Cub fans? i think you have to assume that a minimum of 30% of those voters were meatbally Sox fans who would love to see an ace removed from the team and replaced with a bag of baseballs. I mean how do you think Frank voted?

Very good point.

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Darkside wrote:
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In a poll taken this afternoon, 57.2 percent of Chicago Tribune readers agreed with Phil Rogers, who opined Monday morning that the Cubs should waive Carlos Zambrano.

In related news, recent studies have shown that 57.2 percent of Cub fans are meatballs.

So you think that they were Cub fans? i think you have to assume that a minimum of 30% of those voters were meatbally Sox fans who would love to see an ace removed from the team and replaced with a bag of baseballs. I mean how do you think Frank voted?


Darkside + Bruce Levine= Match


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Show me a poll excluded to CUBS fans that shows a majority of them want Zambrano gone. Shit man, why would a fan, a real fan, want to lose a pitcher with his winning percentage? A guy who could throw a no-hitter any day (before you slay me for it yes I believe the Sox actually have TWO guys who could pop a no hitter on any given start) belongs on this team and a reasonable Cubs fan knows it.

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I agree and I was just making a joke. I thought it was pretty good too......


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lets replace big z with sean marshall. i mean he wont win half as many games but at least he doesnt have a cooky personality!


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Zambrano doesn't suck the medias dicks so he gets bashed all the time.

Basically the media has made it clear they blame him for the Cubs being 2 games under 500. They say without him the team would be much better.

If he's to blame for them being 2 under right now he has to get the credit for 97 wins last season.

And the media wonders why the players don't trust them.

This is the media that compared him to Michael Vick. The same worthless POS who think a gatorade cooler has the same value as a dog.

The media wants a team of players who will suck their dicks who cares if the team wins 75 games?

I've heard tales Wood and Grace were clubhouse problems as was DeRosa. But they sucked media dicks (not literally) so it was hushed up.


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There's a website that a friend told me about where Sox fans purposely screw up these polls.

That's how in a Chicago survivor contest Kerry Wood got kicked off first over Kordell Stewart.


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I agree and I was just making a joke. I thought it was pretty good too......


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Darkside wrote:
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Show me a poll excluded to CUBS fans that shows a majority of them want Zambrano gone. Shit man, why would a fan, a real fan, want to lose a pitcher with his winning percentage? A guy who could throw a no-hitter any day (before you slay me for it yes I believe the Sox actually have TWO guys who could pop a no hitter on any given start) belongs on this team and a reasonable Cubs fan knows it.


Let me play devil's advocate:

The Cubs clearly aren't winning the world series this year, are cash-strapped, and are built like a a "win now" type of team without the ability to, you know, win now. A player like Z would mint a king's ransom on the trading block at the end of July to help replenish a barren farm system.

I guess, if the Cubs aren't going to be buyers, and they're not going to win with this collection of players, they should be sellers. What players are important (and young) enough to keep for the next go around? Maybe you put Z on that list, but I could see where a knockout offer might persuade someone differently.

I certainly wouldn't just waive him though.

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The only way I would trade him is if I could hook on some other dead weight
with him. Z & Fukadome for some prospects & a viable ML'er.

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Darkside + Bruce Levine= Match

Show me a poll excluded to CUBS fans that shows a majority of them want Zambrano gone. Shit man, why would a fan, a real fan, want to lose a pitcher with his winning percentage? A guy who could throw a no-hitter any day (before you slay me for it yes I believe the Sox actually have TWO guys who could pop a no hitter on any given start) belongs on this team and a reasonable Cubs fan knows it.


Let me play devil's advocate:

The Cubs clearly aren't winning the world series this year, are cash-strapped, and are built like a a "win now" type of team without the ability to, you know, win now. A player like Z would mint a king's ransom on the trading block at the end of July to help replenish a barren farm system.

I guess, if the Cubs aren't going to be buyers, and they're not going to win with this collection of players, they should be sellers. What players are important (and young) enough to keep for the next go around? Maybe you put Z on that list, but I could see where a knockout offer might persuade someone differently.

I certainly wouldn't just waive him though.


There is NO way the cubs would receive nearly enough talent to justify a trade. What GM would be willing to trade 'a king's ransom' and hitch their wagon to a psychopath that's owed $73M over the next 4 years (besides Jim Hendry of course)?? It would be WAY too risky of a move.


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I don't think 73M over the next four years is a crazy amount for a borderline ace in his prime years. I'm not saying trading him is imperative. I'm just saying that I wouldn't reject the idea out of hand.

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He's not an ace. His actions on the field prove that. If he's borderline anything, he's boderline insane. Because of that, no GM outside of Hendry would risk $73 million on him. Maybe on a legit ace, but not Z.

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i don't think he's borderline insane, i think he is certifiable. One Flew Over Zambrano's Nest.


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i guarantee there would be atleast 10 gms lining up to sign zambrano to a similar if not wealthier deal than he got with the cubs if he were going to be a free agent next year. look at aj burnett you cant tell me that guy is better than z and he got huge offers


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AJ Burnett is stable in the head. Zambrano is not....not even close.

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aj burnett is not stable in the arm


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
AJ Burnett is stable in the head. Zambrano is not....not even close.

Frank Coztansa discussing mental health!!!
Now that is truly amusing!

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Here are 162 game averages for several aces around the league ranked by era+ and followed by their average annual Salary:

    W L W/L% Era+ Era IP H ER BB K WHIP H/9 BB/9 K/9 AvgAnnSal Pitcher

    15 7 .674 143 3.13 213 177 74 60 219 1.11 7.5 2.5 9.2 22,916,667 Santana

    15 11 .584 142 3.27 226 106 82 75 182 1.24 8.2 3.0 7.3 4,875,000 Webb

    17 9 .662 137 3.18 222 216 79 52 183 1.20 8.8 2.1 7.4 14,600,000 Oswalt

    17 8 .675 133 3.46 230 224 89 52 166 1.20 8.7 2.0 6.5 13,333,333 Halladay

    15 9 .610 127 3.49 213 180 83 95 180 1.29 7.6 4.0 7.6 18,300,000 Zambrano

    15 10 .592 123 3.77 224 231 94 52 132 1.26 9.3 2.1 5.3 14,000,000 Buehrle

    14 11 .558 123 3.56 217 207 86 48 180 1.18 8.6 2.0 7.5 11,187,500 Haren

    16 10 .617 121 3.65 223 205 90 70 185 1.23 8.3 2.8 7.5 23,000,000 Sabathia

    15 11 .575 119 3.29 215 186 79 70 216 1.19 7.8 2.9 9.0 17,333,333 Peavy

    16 10 .601 117 3.77 209 190 88 65 199 1.22 8.2 2.8 8.6 10,000,000 Beckett

    14 12 .538 111 3.82 219 191 93 92 204 1.29 7.8 3.8 8.4 16,500,000 Burnett

According to these numbers Zambrano is definitely an ace. His adjusted era ranks him fifth among this list. Did the Cubs overpay for his services? Probably not. If Zambrano was a free agent I guarantee a team would pay him a contract similar to what he has now. Look at what the Yankees paid Sabathia. He averages 16 wins and 10 losses a year with an era+ of 121 and he got on average $23 million a year.


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Sorry about the formatting...that list is hard to read.


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