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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:52 pm 
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Hey the Bucs just cut Griese. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4325118

He's a veteran and he knows the system. His stats are better than Rex's. Let's go get him. I wanna hear it!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:54 pm 
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That was my first thought as well when I heard that this morning.

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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:55 pm 
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I don't think that's the worst idea I've heard... lets get him as a cheap backup for a year.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:58 pm 
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You understand I'm being completely sarcastic. This is tongue in cheek for the people who wanted to re-sign Grossman. That was the worst idea ever. getting Griese is the second worst one ever. :shock:

I'm open to your thoughts on why this is a good idea.


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You understand I'm being completely sarcastic. This is tongue in cheek for the people who wanted to re-sign Grossman. That was the worst idea ever. getting Griese is the second worst one ever. :shock:

I'm open to your thoughts on why this is a good idea.


Isn't that the same guy who humiliated the Bears last year?
48 passes att. or something like that?

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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:06 pm 
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Mark DeRosa should be the backup QB for this team.

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Spaulding wrote:
You understand I'm being completely sarcastic. This is tongue in cheek for the people who wanted to re-sign Grossman. That was the worst idea ever. getting Griese is the second worst one ever. :shock:

I'm open to your thoughts on why this is a good idea.

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Didn't pick up on that. The reason that it would be good is that I have more confidence in him than an unproven Caleb Haney. Bring him in for a low 1 year contract and if he sucks in pre-season, then cut him.

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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:10 pm 
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You understand I'm being completely sarcastic. This is tongue in cheek for the people who wanted to re-sign Grossman. That was the worst idea ever. getting Griese is the second worst one ever. :shock:

I'm open to your thoughts on why this is a good idea.

It's the same reason the Sox sign Colon or Podsednik -- they are cheap, and if they don't work out you cut them and suffer minimal financial impact. Do you really think there will be any significant competition on the market for Griese? You basically can make your own price here.

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Spaulding wrote:
You understand I'm being completely sarcastic. This is tongue in cheek for the people who wanted to re-sign Grossman. That was the worst idea ever. getting Griese is the second worst one ever. :shock:

I'm open to your thoughts on why this is a good idea.


It's pretty obvious... #s two and three on the depth chart have never played an NFL down. If Griese isn't the answer, then someone like him will be. They wont go with the two kids as the only backups.

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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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Isn't that the same guy who humiliated the Bears last year?
48 passes att. or something like that?


Matt Schaub, Kerry Collins, and Gus Ferrotte put up some pretty good #s against a crappy pass d last year and I don't want any of them as a back up either. I skimmed through the stats and there were only a few games where the opposing qbs had under 200 yards.

You people are nuttier than squirrel shit if you want Griese back. Hell why don't we get the band back together and see what Jake Plummer is doing?


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:23 pm 
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Serious question Spaulding; this are serious thread. Who do you want as the backup QB?

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Spaulding wrote:
pasta wrote:
Isn't that the same guy who humiliated the Bears last year?
48 passes att. or something like that?


Matt Schaub, Kerry Collins, and Gus Ferrotte put up some pretty good #s against a crappy pass d last year and I don't want any of them as a back up either. I skimmed through the stats and there were only a few games where the opposing qbs had under 200 yards.

You people are nuttier than squirrel shit if you want Griese back. Hell why don't we get the band back together and see what Jake Plummer is doing?


I'm still pining for the return of Jeff George or is that Jeff Blake?

Here is a funny article:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/050914

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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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The topic came up Saturday afternoon when Hub Arkush & Dan Hampton talked Chicago Bears' football for about an hour or so on The SCORE. The guys seemed split concerning whether Caleb Hanie has much upside, if any, as Jay Cutler's primary backup, #2 on the depth chart. They didn't seem to think Brett Basanez, the former Northwestern QB that the Bears signed off the Carolina Panthers' scrap heap, has much of a chance to make the 53-man roster. Hub feels that the Bears will explore bringing in a veteran backup QB as training camp draws closer. As we know all too well, Cutler is one bad hit away from giving the backup a chance to play.


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I understand we've been conditioned to want a good back up qb because the starters have been so bad but that's over now. Nobody was flipping out when Orton was the starter and Hanie was the backup. I don't see them bringing somebody else in with little time left otherwise they wouldn't have signed Basanez. Jay cutler is made of carbon/polymer nanofibers, he will not break. If he does Angelo is in a shit bit of trouble.

Veteran qbs are not bad but they need to be an upgrade over what the team has and I don't think that Griese is.


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:47 pm 
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Yeah. Sign Griese. What the hell? He's cheap and maybe he can win a couple of games if Cutler is hurt.


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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Stop it! This is almost as bad as bring back Rex talk. Image


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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Stop it! This is almost as bad as bring back Rex talk. Image


If Cutler is out for a long time the season is over no matter who the back up is. I just want a guy that might be able to win a game or two if he's out for 4 weeks. That's all. I don't think that guy is on the roster right now. Griese is the best option at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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Spaulding wrote:
Stop it! This is almost as bad as bring back Rex talk. Image


If Cutler is out for a long time the season is over no matter who the back up is. I just want a guy that might be able to win a game or two if he's out for 4 weeks. That's all. I don't think that guy is on the roster right now. Griese is the best option at this point.

didn't griese have a falling out here towards the end though? something about the bears trying to trade him instead of cutting him...

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I understand we've been conditioned to want a good back up qb because the starters have been so bad but that's over now. Nobody was flipping out when Orton was the starter and Hanie was the backup. I don't see them bringing somebody else in with little time left otherwise they wouldn't have signed Basanez. Jay cutler is made of carbon/polymer nanofibers, he will not break. If he does Angelo is in a shit bit of trouble.

Veteran qbs are not bad but they need to be an upgrade over what the team has and I don't think that Griese is.


Your first two sentences are contradictory. You first say that if you have a bad starting QB, you want a good backup. Then you say that when we had a bad QB, nobody complained that our backup was bad. Cutler has only been in the league for three years, so I don't think we can compare him to an iron man Favre type just yet. I agree with you that ideally you would be in a Montana-Young type situation where your backup is the player who will be taking over the role in the future. In this instance, however, Cutler is the future, so you can afford to take on veterans to play the role of backup.

If you consider Hanie to be better than Griese, then that is an OK opinion -- I just don't think you can rule a Griese signing to be a dumb meathead move.

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Lovie will never bring Griese back...not after Griese called his own plays in a game that the Bears won on a late 4th quarter drive. Lovie got pissed at Griese for telling everyone after the game that his in helmet radio went out so he had to call his own plays. Then Lovie forced Grieses to call a press conference the next day to tell us that he Griese actually got the plays by reading the coaches lips on the sidelines to get the plays. Yea...Right.
Lovie is one insecure head coach...

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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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If Griese would come back, I'd extend a one-year offer. Couldn't hurt.


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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Your first two sentences are contradictory. You first say that if you have a bad starting QB, you want a good backup. Then you say that when we had a bad QB, nobody complained that our backup was bad.


No they are not. What I'm saying is where was all this hand ringing 3 months ago when Orton, Hanie, and Basanez were on the roster? It's like all the sudden this matters.


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
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What I'm saying is where was all this hand ringing 3 months ago when Orton, Hanie, and Basanez were on the roster? It's like all the sudden this matters.

Well, I think we all assumed they would be bringing in a seasoned veteran to be a backup. But now training camp is looming closer and closer and we still have two practice squad QB's as our backups.

A good backup is a guy who can come in and probably have a .500 record. He can step in for 4-6 weeks and go 2-2 or 3-3. If Cutler goes down for a short time, I don't think either of these guys could win one game. Your Griese/Grossman hate is understandable, but ignoring the fact that this team needs a competent backup is just plain dumb.

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Spaulding - Hypothetical.


Jay Cutler is the Bears only QB on the roster. Hanie and Griese are both FAs, and are both available for the exact same contract (years and money).



Which do you choose?


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I think you have to seriously look at Griese. At least with him, you know what you are going to get. Serviceable, maybe even you a game or two. Certainly an NFL caliber QB.

Caleb Hanie, Basanez? Sorry but the Bears aren't exactly known for developing QBs. Maybe Henie/Basanez have an upside but do we trust the Bears coaches to reach that potential? After seeing other young QB's picked off the scrap heap by the Bears, Steve Stenstrom...Moses Moreno, Jonathan Quinn, Chad Hutchinson...why do we want to depend on an untested QB as a backup.


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 Post subject: Re: Backup QB
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:05 pm 
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I'd rather take my chances with Hanie. You know what you have in Griese, he is often injured and doesn't have a good arm. He has been on how many teams?, did not leave here on the best note, and has he ever been in a playoff game? You guys are insane. I'd rather have Losman, good example.


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I'm not sure who is even STILL on the free agent market for veteran quarterbacks, and chances are, none of them are good. Caleb Hanie actually earned his roster spot when many thought the Bears were going to only carry 2 QBs last season. If Caleb becomes the Bears' equivalent of Jim Sorgi down in Indianapolis with Peyton Manning, so be it...


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