Um, you may want to lower your expectations a bit there.

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with the amount of money coming off the books and kenny's all in attitude itts possible but it will proablly take a jenks/floyd deal to get kazmier/crawford and i can live with that.

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Thank you,and have a nice day !

You beat me to it. This is hilarious.

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this is the same guy who shouldn't have come to wrigley because it's a hitter's park, right?

It seems as if there's plenty of upside, despite the fact Uncle Jerry doesn't like paying pitchers the kind of $$$$ Jake Peavy is set to earn even before this deal was made late this afternoon. Unfortunately, it doesn't address the lack of defense on this current White Sox roster right now. I wouldn't be shocked if the Sox once again address their outfield, and a center field position who currently wears the colors of the Anaheim Angels and will be here early next week for three Tuesday-Thursday.

Bold move by KW, it sucks that he may not pitch this year tho, but no doubt the next few years the Sox should have one of the best rotations in baseball.

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Actually, Jake Peavy's set to throw off a mound as soon as tomorrow and is supposed to go on a rehab assignment in the middle of August and could be sporting the black alternate or the road gray White Sox uniform when they go on that 10 game road trip to Boston, the Bronx & back to the DAMN METRODOME in Minneapolis at the end of the month...Speaking of Peavy, Jason Goff's holding court after the Ranger's SCORE/White Sox Radio Network postgame tonight after 11p(?). Peavy was on a San Diego sports talker earlier today, and Goff will be playing audio of the new White Sox pitcher later tonight...Also, the Ranger interviewed Sox G.M. Kenny Williams earlier today about the trade, and that'll be part of his "White Sox Weekly" show tomorrow starting at Noon on 670 The SCORE & 670thescore.com.

i'm not sure this actually happened though...elmhurst steve said it would never happen. i mean, ELMHURST STEVE said that. so i'm assuming peavy is still with the padres...

Maybe for 2010, not for this season. You will be lucky to get 4-5 starts out of Peavy this year and coming off the DL, who knows what his pitch count will be or how well he will pitch in them. This is a VERY risky deal for the Sox. I did not want Peavy on the Cubs and stated so on these boards in no uncertain manner. the guy has now had stints on the DL of a month or longer, in EACH of the last 3 seasons and he makes big money which the Sox are on the hook for. The Padres have to be dancing in the streets that a club would take on that entire contract and give them a guy like Poreda, who I think is going to be really good. This contract will be a problem for Kenny Williams if he continues to have stretches on the DL every year and takes up such a large portion of the team salary. Yes, they have Thome, Dye (unless they pick up the option or resign him at a lesser number) and Contreras coming off the books. But they need to replace those players and with Peavy making as much as he does, it is likely they won't be going after the bigger fish. You watch, he will not stay healthy.

Meanwhile, the Twins and Tigers have aquired players who upgrade their teams immediately in 2009. By the time Peavy throws a pitch this season for the Sox (if he does) it might be too late.

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beardown, i don't know how many times i have to explain this: it really is of no use.

this is ES's MO: he is just trying to get under your skin. if you let him under there, that's your problem. after chirping all year last year, all he said in the end of a horrible sweep by the dodgers was "oh well, it was disappointing"...

he is actually not the "prototype cubs fan" that you guys think he is...that is a facade. his life's too good to worry about baseball.

Lets see in a month where this trade has gotten the Sox and where the Tigers and Twins are, after getting guys who are able to contribute to their clubs right away. Then, lets see if Peavy is even pitching in a month, it sounds as though that is no certainty. The Sox fans are all excited and Kenny gets accolades for getting this done. In a couple years, Peavy will be sorry he signed on to pitch in the AL, in that launching pad, as his ERA away from Petco is decidedly higher and in U.S. Cellular it will be higher still. The Sox too, will rue the day, as Peavy will probably continue his trend of spending more than a month of each season on the DL and they will be stuck with an overpaid, injured pitcher, who's ERA will be considerably higher with the Sox than it has been with the Padres. Enjoy the fantasy, the reality will not be as pretty.

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Way too much is made of not being able to pitch at the Cell. Buehrle is 15-1 at the Cell in his last 20 starts.

Jon Garland had back to back 18-win seasons while with the Sox. He has sucked ever since he left us. Jose Contreras & Fredy Garcia have pitched well here. Danks and Floyd pitch well here. Jack McDowell won a Cy Young in this park in 1993.

If you give up a couple more runs on given nights the Sox will score more on given nights cuz of the park. Good pitchers are good pitchers.

Every game at the Cell some pitcher is gonna win.

So are these the same players that were going to go to SD the first time around? Or did the Sox have to come up with more?

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Kenny said this was the exact same trade offer he made in May.

RFDC, believe it or not, Clay Richard, Aaron Poreda, Adam Russell & Dexter Carter were the same 4 pitchers in the original deal that Jake Peavy used his no-trade clause 2 months or so ago. Honest! I think the fact the Padres continue to stink up PETCO Park and the fact that franchise is cash-strapped were big factors in Jake changing his mind and approving the trade late this afternoon.

Well Broadway was in the originial just swapped it with Russel i think

So we turned Broadway into our backup catcher in Castro then and gave up Russell who's never panned out instead? We got 2 big league players by adding an unsuccessful pitcher over all? I'll take it.

Everything I've read says it was the same deal.

I absolutely LOVE the trade. I really like Richard but you have to give up something to get a player like Peavy but he is at least a year away from being a consistent starter. I hope he does well in SD. I don't mind trading Poreda because I don't think he will ever develop a 2nd pitch and looks destined for the bullpen. This Carter guy has a great arm but is at least 2-3 years away. Russell is a non-factor.

Buehrle, Peavy, Floyd and Danks is potentially the best rotation in baseball and will be together for the next 3 seasons.

No doubt about it. If healthy this is a top tier rotation.

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Remember when Gio Gonzalez was our best pitching prospect? He sucks with the A's.

We still have wasted #1 draft selection Kyle McCulloch to kick around.

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Gio Gonzlaes is 2-2 in 39 innings with a 7.38 ERA.

Here was RealGM's analysis:

Peavy to White Sox

Ken Williams said 'Let's try this thing again' and landed Jake Peavy on the second time around. The price for Peavy was left-handers Aaron Poreda and Clayton Richard and right-handers Dexter Carter and Adam Russell.

Peavy is kind of like the pitching equivalent of Matt Holliday; a player that has benefited from a pitcher friendly park in San Diego. He has a career road ERA of 3.84, compared to a 2.74 mark at Petco Park, a split that cannot be ignored.

Furthermore, Peavy hasn't pitched since the first week of June, won't be back for another week or two and has an extremely modest 3.97 ERA.

At the same time, Ken Williams is the kind of competitor that more GMs should be.

Poreda was the 25th overall pick in 2007 and will become an excellent Petco starter. He has respectable K/9 rates and a career 2.65 minor league ERA. He had a 2.45 ERA in 11.0 relief innings in the bigs.

Richard is 25 and gave the White Sox 14 starts this season with a 4.65 ERA, but had been brilliant in his past two starts, giving up one earned run in eight inning outings.

Carter is kind of a flier, but has had a nice Single-A season, with a 3.13 ERA and 10.9 K/9 rate.

Russell didn't stick last season as a reliever in the bigs, but has put up respectable Triple-A numbers and could become a reliable long reliever.

Grade for White Sox: C

Grade for Padres: A-

I think in some ways this is similar to the criticism of the Cutler trade. Neither of these trades is just about this year. The Sox are not just renting a player for the summer with the hopes of winning the WS this year. They have him for an extended period of time. That is why I think these grades are bogus.

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Boy was this ever on the money!

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In reality, no it was not. The Tigers acquired Washburn, whose ERA went from under 3 to under 4 since he became a Tiger.

Most of the rest of your post was information that was already known or pure speculation about future years.

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You are right about washburn. His ERA has risen and he's just not been as effective there. However, he really solidified the rotation, in terms of not having a guy like Contreras in the rotation that kills your bullpen every time out. He gives them a decent start and doesnt tax the bullpen as others had before he was aquired. The part about it being between theTigers and Twins for the division, is sure accurate and the post was made when the Sox were right at the top of the division and many Sux fans were celebrating Peavy comint to the wrong side of town and how they were going to win the division. I loved reading all about hoe Peavy sets up the Sox to succeed in the playoffs this year too!

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So he has gained a run on his ERA in a month and still solidified the rotation.

Meanwhile French, the young starter they traded for him has remained consistently good in Seattle.

If you wanted to quote an accurate post in this thread, use the one where I wrote that French would be better than Washburn THIS YEAR.

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