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Cant really say enough about this guy right now. He throws the ball EXACTLY where it is needed. He spreads the ball around, he finds the open guys.

Bottom line is he makes guys MUCH better ! Only makes me think what he could do with another top flight WR

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Yea. Am I the only Bears fan who doesn't miss the running game? I am enjoying watching the Bears throw the ball all the time!

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Anyone else surprised when Turner finally called for a pass at the end of the game (to Hester) instead of run, run, run, run, to set up a 45 yard field goal attempt?

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Anyone else surprised when Turner finally called for a pass at the end of the game (to Hester) instead of run, run, run, run, to set up a 45 yard field goal attempt?

I think the goal was to do that again, but they needed to waste more time, and they needed one more first down. It didn't work exactly to plan, but no big deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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The run opened up in the second half... I'm guessing partially due in part to showing that we could pass under duress.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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Irish Boy wrote:
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Anyone else surprised when Turner finally called for a pass at the end of the game (to Hester) instead of run, run, run, run, to set up a 45 yard field goal attempt?

I think the goal was to do that again, but they needed to waste more time, and they needed one more first down. It didn't work exactly to plan, but no big deal.


Turner knew he had to cover the spread...and thankfully he did.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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When Cutler had the ball in the 4th and was driving, for once I thought, I know this Bears QB will get us seven points and win this fucker.
I don't know much about Cutler, but so far he is the shit! That fucker can put the ball wherever he wants to with some stank on it.
This dude throws of his back foot most of the time but with accuracy.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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yes 5 picks in 3 games is tough to beat

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yes 5 picks in 3 games is tough to beat

I'd say you have a 1/3 chance of beating it.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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yes 5 picks in 3 games is tough to beat


Stick to serving the country FF....

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yes 5 picks in 3 games is tough to beat


Stick to serving the country FF....

lol. I just like teasing bears fans. He's clearly a very good qb

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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the Bears have now won 2 games where they don't with Neckbeard. Almost won the Packers game in similar circumstances. Cutler has been a gamer, and a winner.
2009 Bears with Orton = 0-3

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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the Bears have now won 2 games where they don't with Neckbeard. Almost won the Packers game in similar circumstances. Cutler has been a gamer, and a winner.
2009 Bears with Orton = 0-3


Coincidentally, 2009 Broncos with Orton = 3-0.


Don't take that as a comparison of Cut Piece and Orkman... but it's still interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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No you're not. I want Cutler to throw the ball on every play even though I know that is football stupid.

Not on this team, it isn't. I'm seriously starting to think this team should just completely abandon the run. That's how bad their running game is.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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the Bears have now won 2 games where they don't with Neckbeard. Almost won the Packers game in similar circumstances. Cutler has been a gamer, and a winner.
2009 Bears with Orton = 0-3

I was thinking the same thing this morning, as I was thinking over the game. The line can't run block, and it was generally giving Cutler about half a second of protection before he either had to scramble out of the pocket or get sacked. Cutler practically is the Bears offense at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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After 3 games, I'm now prepared to say their O-line sucks. They can't run block and they can barely pass block.

Cutler must be good because, for the first time in the 8 years I've been watching them do it, that f'ing WR screen finally seems to work. I've been watching that play get them a guaranteed 1 to 1-1/2 yards for years and now they often break it for 8-10 yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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Darkside wrote:
the Bears have now won 2 games where they don't with Neckbeard. Almost won the Packers game in similar circumstances. Cutler has been a gamer, and a winner.
2009 Bears with Orton = 0-3



Completely agree DS and this gives the Bears a chance to run a string of about 4 to go to 6-1.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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Chris in St. Charles wrote:
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Coincidentally, 2009 Broncos with Orton = 3-0.


Don't take that as a comparison of Cut Piece and Orkman... but it's still interesting.

I think that has more to with the schedule and improved running game and defense, than with orton. I actually like orton, and want him to do well, but I don't think that anyone in denver is bragging about his performances, nor should they. It will be interesting to see what they do in the next three games, because they will have some tougher games.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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the Bears have now won 2 games where they don't with Neckbeard. Almost won the Packers game in similar circumstances. Cutler has been a gamer, and a winner.
2009 Bears with Orton = 0-3

How can you give Jay Cutler any credit for the Green Bay game? It was mostly his fault that the offense was bad.

It's not like the Bears are winning these games scoring 30 points a game. I don't really know why you wouldn't expect Orton to score 17 points against the Steelers.

Jay Cutler is still incredibly inconsistent and that is why it requires 4th quarter drives to take the lead. I'm waiting for that game in which Cutler throws for 350 yards and the Bears roll from the start to the finish. If the Bears are playing from behind in the 4th in every game the bounces will eventually go to the other way and this will end up being a non-playoff season.

This was a Seattle team that this message board seemed to believe we should dominate and it took a last minute drive to win. Maybe it's just me, but I'd like Cutler to be consistent for more of the game instead of being a "gamer".

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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How can you give Jay Cutler any credit for the Green Bay game? It was mostly his fault that the offense was bad.


He does get a lot of blame for the loss, but so does the Offensive line, he was running for his life and made a lot of stupid decisions while doing so.

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Jay Cutler is still incredibly inconsistent and that is why it requires 4th quarter drives to take the lead. I'm waiting for that game in which Cutler throws for 350 yards and the Bears roll from the start to the finish. If the Bears are playing from behind in the 4th in every game the bounces will eventually go to the other way and this will end up being a non-playoff season.


Going 21/27 (77%) against Seattle was pretty consistent with going 27/38 (71%) against Pittsburgh, but I would like to see a larger sample size before claiming he has been constant or inconsistent.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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After 3 games, I'm now prepared to say their O-line sucks. They can't run block and they can barely pass block.

Cutler must be good because, for the first time in the 8 years I've been watching them do it, that f'ing WR screen finally seems to work. I've been watching that play get them a guaranteed 1 to 1-1/2 yards for years and now they often break it for 8-10 yards.


No more rainbow passes. The WR gets it faster and can therefore make a move.

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 Post subject: Re: Cutler
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Going 21/27 (77%) against Seattle was pretty consistent with going 27/38 (71%) against Pittsburgh, but I would like to see a larger sample size before claiming he has been constant or inconsistent.

His percentage has been good but while I haven't researched this he still shows inconsistency. On the drives he is on, he seems to be at 90% or above for the drive. When he isn't, obviously the completion percentage becomes lower which results in the 70's.

While fourth quarter comebacks are fun to watch, they shouldn't be relied on to win especially against a team like Seattle who we should have beat fairly easy.

This was the biggest complaint about Cutler in Denver too. He puts up great statistics and looks amazing at times but this type of play over the course of a season leads to mediocrity.

For as good as Cutler has been, if field goal kickers don't give the Bears some extra help they may be 0-3 and Cutler isn't considered a "gamer".

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Oh, for Christ sake, what do expect? The Chargers offense circa 1982? This team is not good. Cutler is the whole damn offense by himself.

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Oh, for Christ sake, what do expect? The Chargers offense circa 1982? This team is not good. Cutler is the whole damn offense by himself.

What do you mean this team isn't good?

They held the Super Bowl champs to 14 points.
They held Green Bay(trendy Super Bowl pick) to 21 points in a game where the QB threw 4 ints.

It's not like the Bears are the Lions. The Bears are at worst an average team.

He has been inconsistent whether you want to believe it or not. That needs to improve.

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Oh, for Christ sake, what do expect? The Chargers offense circa 1982? This team is not good. Cutler is the whole damn offense by himself.

What do you mean this team isn't good?

They held the Super Bowl champs to 14 points.
They held Green Bay(trendy Super Bowl pick) to 21 points in a game where the QB threw 4 ints.

It's not like the Bears are the Lions. The Bears are at worst an average team.

He has been inconsistent whether you want to believe it or not. That needs to improve.


I'm particularly talking about the offense. I'm guessing we have the worst running stats in the league. Cutler is getting hassled on every pass attempt. What he has been able to do under pressure has been amazing. He's taking a beating. If this continues, he'll probably get hurt and then you'll see what he means to the team.

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Going 21/27 (77%) against Seattle was pretty consistent with going 27/38 (71%) against Pittsburgh, but I would like to see a larger sample size before claiming he has been constant or inconsistent.

His percentage has been good but while I haven't researched this he still shows inconsistency. On the drives he is on, he seems to be at 90% or above for the drive. When he isn't, obviously the completion percentage becomes lower which results in the 70's.

While fourth quarter comebacks are fun to watch, they shouldn't be relied on to win especially against a team like Seattle who we should have beat fairly easy.

This was the biggest complaint about Cutler in Denver too. He puts up great statistics and looks amazing at times but this type of play over the course of a season leads to mediocrity.

For as good as Cutler has been, if field goal kickers don't give the Bears some extra help they may be 0-3 and Cutler isn't considered a "gamer".

When Cutler gets any kind of time, he fucking shreds the opposing defense. Problem is, this line very rarely gives him any time. When he's rushed, he seems to have a greater-than-average tendency to make risky throws. That's the reason behind his inconsistency. I really can't overstate how bad this line is; they may well be the worst Bears line I've ever seen, and that's really saying something.

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His percentage has been good but while I haven't researched this he still shows inconsistency. On the drives he is on, he seems to be at 90% or above for the drive. When he isn't, obviously the completion percentage becomes lower which results in the 70's.

While fourth quarter comebacks are fun to watch, they shouldn't be relied on to win especially against a team like Seattle who we should have beat fairly easy.

This was the biggest complaint about Cutler in Denver too. He puts up great statistics and looks amazing at times but this type of play over the course of a season leads to mediocrity.

For as good as Cutler has been, if field goal kickers don't give the Bears some extra help they may be 0-3 and Cutler isn't considered a "gamer".


I agree that we should have destroyed Seattle, but the fact that we didn't was because the defense got carved up by a below average quarterback, and because the offensive line didn't create opportunities for forte to run and keep possession of the ball. The bears were lucky to win the game, but it wasn't because Cutler gave Seattle too many chances to win. I don't know enough about the Denver situation to comment, but where did the complaints about cutler compare to the complaints about the run game and the defense?

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I'm particularly talking about the offense. I'm guessing we have the worst running stats in the league. Cutler is getting hassled on every pass attempt. What he has been able to do under pressure has been amazing. He's taking a beating. If this continues, he'll probably get hurt and then you'll see what he means to the team.

You don't need to tell me he's a significant upgrade from Caleb Hanie. Everyone knows that.

He makes great plays and can fill up a highlight tape. He makes plays that even some of the best QB's in the league won't even try.

However, for as good as he is the offense he is inconsistent. This is what they said in Denver. This isn't some new groundbreaking idea I've come up with.

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This is absurd. Over the past two games he has a QB rating of 110.

Game one he was horrible, but that certainly seems like an anomoly right now. We shall see.

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However, for as good as he is the offense he is inconsistent. This is what they said in Denver. This isn't some new groundbreaking idea I've come up with.


Did they say this before or after he left Denver?

Just for comparison Cutler had three games with a QB rating below 70 last year, Peyton Manning had 3 and Drew Brees had six.


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