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kujoe_7

Post subject: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:36 am

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Shawne Merriman & T.O. both are on the trade block. Should the Bears go after one or both ?? can't see it costing you more than a 4th round pick ?

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Hawkeye Vince

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:57 am

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TO is injured. I dont think Lovie could deal with him.

As for Merriman, interesting but DE isn't our issue right now - Wale/Anderson/Brown are doing a good job this year. If he was DT, sure.

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:02 am

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Merriman is a LB.

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:03 am

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Chris in St. Charles wrote:

Merriman is a DB.

fixed.

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:14 am

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Chris in St. Charles wrote:

Merriman is a LB.

He'd play DE in a 4-3 system though.

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:19 am

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I think Merriman's still gonna cost you more than a fourth-rounder, or I think another team will at least give the Chargers more than that for him...

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:28 am

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If it works out you have an excuse to let Ogunleye walk after the season. This is a total contract push year and he is not going to be nearly as effective once he signs that paper.

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Irish Boy

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:30 am

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He had a poor year the year before his injury.

Everyone turns into Daniel Snyder when they play make-believe GM. Trade for them! Trade for everybody! Sign, trade, sign! How's that working out for the Redskins? And besides, 3-4 LB is not exactly equal to 4-3 DE, although it's closer than 4-3 OLB. Ask Aaron Kampman how similar the positions are.

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This is a total contract push year and he is not going to be nearly as effective once he signs that paper.

I've read studies to the effect that the "contract year" phenomenon is statistically invalid.

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:34 am

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I'd rather see them look at a WR who can go up and get the ball. Why they won't even give Matt Jones a sniff is beyond me. He's working out for the Bucs today.

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:10 am

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Phil McCracken wrote:

If it works out you have an excuse to let Ogunleye walk after the season. This is a total contract push year and he is not going to be nearly as effective once he signs that paper.

Agreed

Irish Boy wrote:

Everyone turns into Daniel Snyder when they play make-believe GM. Trade for them! Trade for everybody! Sign, trade, sign! How's that working out for the Redskins?

that's just the ownership I had in mind when I said that someone would give the Chargers more than just a fourth-rounder for Merriman

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:11 am

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mel junior wrote:

I'd rather see them look at a WR who can go up and get the ball. Why they won't even give Matt Jones a sniff is beyond me. He's working out for the Bucs today.

I see what you did there...

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

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Nas wrote:

If T.O. were available it would instantly make the Bears receivers better and improve their offense. Why wouldn't you at least find out what it would take if you were a GM?

I agree with you on possibly taking a chance on Merriman, Nas, but I wonder how well, if at all, T.O. and Cutler would get along. Those are two potentially volatile personalities, and as soon as T.O. does his usual crybaby thing if he's not thrown the ball enough it could backfire - I wish I'd be able to judge this possibility on talent alone, but Owens brings all that baggage with him...

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Irish Boy

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Why would you put Merriman at linebacker? Where would he play? He would be completely lost in coverage, so MLB is out. The defense is all about funnelling tackles to Briggs, who's doing a DPotY job at Will, so why change that? The Sam is about absorbing blocks and coverage duties; that's not what you bring in Merriman for. You're not going to switch to 3-4 in week 6, and you don't have the personnel to do it anyway.

That leaves DE in the 4-3, which you need to hope he can actually do. You can't just treat draft picks like pogs and trade them away for the hope that maybe someone that hasn't been playing all that well finds the magic again AND can learn a new position on the fly.

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:33 am

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Nas wrote:

Irish Boy wrote:

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This is a total contract push year and he is not going to be nearly as effective once he signs that paper.

I've read studies to the effect that the "contract year" phenomenon is statistically invalid.

We all play fantasy GM around here. If there is a hole on the team and a guy that could fill the hole becomes available it's only natural to wonder what it would take to acquire that guy. Merriman had 12.5 sacks the year before his injury. If I'm not mistaken Richard Dent may have been the last Bears player to get 12.5 sacks. I guess that is an off year compared to the 17 sacks he had the year before but I'll take 39.5 sacks in 3 years everyday of the week. My guess is he could play OLB. He would improve the Bears defense right away. If T.O. were available it would instantly make the Bears receivers better and improve their offense. Why wouldn't you at least find out what it would take if you were a GM?

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:40 am

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I really hate when my head changes sizes like that.

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Phil McCracken

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:14 pm

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Irish Boy wrote:

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This is a total contract push year and he is not going to be nearly as effective once he signs that paper.

I've read studies to the effect that the "contract year" phenomenon is statistically invalid.

Tell that to Ryan Dempster

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:53 pm

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Saying "look at this anecdote" doesn't invalidate the long set of data.

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:16 pm

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It's a snarky comment, not a scientific rebuttal.

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SHARK

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:45 pm

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ProFootballTalk.com's Mike Florio, who will be on 670 The SCORE's "Danny Mac Show" tomorrow, says even though he has been doing very little lately, the Buffalo Bills aren't about to deal Terrell Owens. Wishful thinking...

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:49 pm

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SHARK wrote:

The Broncos aren't going to deal Jay Cutler either SHARK...especially not to the Bears... :wink:

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:51 pm

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spmack wrote:

SHARK wrote:

The Broncos aren't going to deal Jay Cutler either SHARK...especially not to the Bears... :wink:

ZING!!!

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SHARK

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 pm

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You got me on that one, guys...Then again, why did T.O. sign with the Bills anyway?

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mel junior

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spmack wrote:

SHARK wrote:

The Broncos aren't going to deal Jay Cutler either SHARK...especially not to the Bears... :wink:

Wow, you got quick approval on that one ....

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SHARK

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:22 pm

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Nas wrote:

SHARK wrote:

You got me on that one, guys...Then again, why did T.O. sign with the Bills anyway?

In an attempt to sell tickets they showed him the money.

Money well spent? Not a chance...

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:06 pm

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SHARK wrote:

Nas wrote:

SHARK wrote:

You got me on that one, guys...Then again, why did T.O. sign with the Bills anyway?

In an attempt to sell tickets they showed him the money.

Money well spent? Not a chance...

Book em Danno.

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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:37 pm

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i think merriman would be a bad fit with the bears

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:02 am

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Nas wrote:

Why not kick the tires? He was the best LBer in the league before He had to stop taking steroids. I think Willis in SF is now.

Fixed. Besides it Chico the Great cant make him dominant who can?? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Shawne Merriman & T.O.

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:52 am

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so you want a guy who's believed in his own hype after some monster success, took PED to barry bonds himself up, now can't figure out how to play defense and gets hurt...and you want another guy who believes in his own hype, is a clutch pass-dropper, and pisses and moans about everything if he's not thrown to 30 times a game?

good luck with all that...

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