http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/fo ... 4990.story




"But there was none of that Sunday at Paul Brown Stadium. In fact, Cutler helped the Bengals' lead grow bigger by throwing three interceptions that led to 17 points."

wow, he didn't bring the bears back? god couldn't have brought that team back, the Bengals punted 0 times in the first 3 quarters, it's kind of hard to lead a team to victory if the defense cant stop shit

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You know the media in this town. There's rarely ever any true insight or breakdown of the actual game. It's either a puff piece or the sky is falling type assessment. Imagine what the Morrisey columns will be like this week.

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I heard as late as last week that one of the things that was great about Jay Cutler was that you are in every game and not going to get blown out.

There were many people who were saying that a game like yesterday wouldn't happen simply because we have Jay Cutler.

No matter how well Cutler played yesterday the Bears weren't going to win but you would have been shouted down by people if you had argued my first sentence last week.

People have been way too excited about Jay Cutler and are now others are going completely in the opposite direction.

He's a highly skilled QB that has serious flaws in his game that he needs to fix if the Bears are ever going to be a perennial playoff contender.

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agreed with rick. There's a handful of qb's that could've made the game nope respectable. I dont think the writer was wrong, although it certainly lacked any type of analysis

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Rick I understand your point of view on this whole Cutler thing. But as far as getting excited...I see it like a draft pick. He's young hopefully getting better. But as far the overexcitement think Derrick Rose. I didnt think the Bulls were gonna win the title last year, but I was way excited they got Rose. I dont think you can blame people for being excited over getting a great young player at the most important position in sports.

As much as it seemed otherwise, I am excited about Jay Cutler too. I still am. I just didn't attempt to convince myself that the entire franchise is set for the next 10 years and I didn't buy into the fact that we would never get blown out because he's good enough to keep you in games.

The fact that you mentioned excitement over a rookie is actually pretty good. Cutler still plays like a rookie at times. The question is whether or not that is just who he is or if he can fix that.

The up and down nature of how Jay Cutler plays puts you in prime 7 to 9 wins territory every year. If he was 32 and playing like this people would be talking about replacing him. However, he's younger and could easily get more consistent.

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Right, but what did you think of Rose?
Maybe Not set for 10 years...but definitely should make you optimistic for the next 5. (10 years is waaay too long to project in any sport)

Cutler will be just fine- much to your chagrin. There's certainly room for improvement, but you need to look elsewhere on the offense to fix a lot of the problems they have. The biggest problem with the Bears offense is the horrendous O-Line play.

Anytime Forte and Olsen want to step up is fine with me too, though Forte's lack of production has a lot to do with the poor Oline play.

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Calling this board "optimistic" about Jay Cutler would be the understatement of the year.

I think Rose has a great future ahead of him too. He has all the potential in the world. If the Bulls lose a lot this year I don't think it will feel much better simply because we have Rose.

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I don't think you know what chagrin means.

I would like nothing more than for Cutler to play like a top 5 QB. At this point, I'd take top 10.

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And if the defense can get the opposing team's offense off the field, and his Oline can prevent him from getting hit on almost every pass play, I think he will.

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It's funny to me that in the same thread someone can call QB "the most important position in all of sports" and then someone can basically blame every other player on the team for poor performance of the QB.

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Its funny to me that you continue to call out the QB for "poor play" (and yes, everybody on that field was bad yesterday), but if you are going to prioritize the fixes this team needs, the QB is nowhere near the top of that list.

And nor should he be.

Do the Bears win yesterday if Kyle Orton is the QB, Rick?

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So he is judged by the standard that he isn't the worst player on the team? That isn't exactly a franchise QB is it? I just don't understand how we have a QB who has 11 touchdowns and 10 interceptions and I can't say that he needs to be significantly better than that. I guess we should all just be happy that we have a QB capable of that and shouldn't question it. At least he isn't Jake Delhomme!


No. Who cares? I'm starting to notice a pattern that I'm not the one constantly referencing Orton in these little discussions.

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I don't think any QB could have made that game more respectable. When your defense gives up TD drives of about 80, 75, 67 and 63 on the first 4 possessions and when the opposing team doesn't punt until the middle of the 4th quarter, its hard to believe any QB could have kept the team in the game. Add to that an offensive line that can't pass block, and the fact the Bears went away from the running game in the 2nd quarter letting the Bengals tee off on Cutler, its hard for me to put a majority of blame on Cutler.

I stand by this, Rick, and you have yet to adress it.

Start getting on Tommie Harris to play better. Get on Lovie to get some better schemes, make better adjustments, and to use those adjustments quicker. Get on Angelo for once again not adressing the Oline. And then get on the Olinemen for false starts and getting constantly beat even when the opposition is only rushing 3 and 4 guys. Get on the DB's for missing assignments and tackles.

All of those are things I would adress before Jay Cutler's INTs.

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I've noticed that middle linebackers are missing the jump on the ball by making last second adjustments. I know they are trying to get the defense set but at what cost? Is Roach just unexperienced at doing this or what? He is looking around and making hand gestures while the ball is snapped. What's the deal with this?

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... In my opinion.

What is there to address? The team has problems. The team needs improvement that may not come this year. Jay Cutler is the future of the Bears. If the Bears win a Super Bowl in the next 5 years it will be off him fixing the exact problems I am referencing. He is the most important player on the team.

We are talking about Jay Cutlers game. We are talking about what he needs to do to be considered a legitimate top flight franchise QB. We are talking about what he was in Denver too. It's the reason that Josh McDaniels traded him away after trying to get Cassel(bad) and Orton(average). The type of play that Jay Cutler has done his whole career is not what a top 5 NFL QB does. He shows signs and consecutive games where you believe he is approaching that. Then he has a few down games in a row.


So, you mention almost mostly defensive things and say that is what you would address. Cutler cutting down on his interceptions and inconsistent play has nothing to do with most of things you mention.

The offensive line needs to improve but it was the same line that Cutler went for 100+ passer ratings with too.

I am not blaming Cutler for the loss yesterday. I don't think any QB in the NFL could win that game for the Bears. However, we can judge Cutler for his first 6 games and see that the same problems he had in Denver are still here. Either he finds a way to take better control of the ball even if it results in a few less touchdowns a season or he doesn't.

So yes, you are right that Cutler isn't the reason the Bears are 3-3. They have other problems. However, Cutler has flaws in his game that need to improve or he'll float in the 8th to 15th best QB in the NFL and that just won't be good enough.

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Having lived in a few different places in the US, this isn't nearly as bad as you think, which is scary. Automatic winner is Bernstein down in Tampa fielding calls from those mouth breathers...

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Perhaps if the Bears had, oh I don't know, scored some points themselves or at least kept the ball out of the Bengals paws for more than a handful of downs the score might have been within reach..after 1 quarter.

Props to Rick on this one...you're right on the money. Was Cutler the sole reason for the blowout? Not even close. There were major breakdowns at every level. However, Cutler sycophants (Terry Boers in particular) try to have it both ways. HE is the reason the Bears have come from behind to win games, but the whole team is to blame when they lose.

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The problem that I have with Pomei is that he expected cutler to bring this team back:

"One of the reasons the Bears traded for Jay Cutler in the off-season, and then made him the fourth-highest-paid quarterback in football last week, is Cutler is supposed to give them a come-from-behind dimension."

This game was over before it started, cutler made bade decisions, and had bad turnovers, but when you're trying to come back from being down 30+ you're going to probably have those mistakes as the defense knows that you're not going to run it. The editors probably said to Dan: "write a cutler piece" and this is what he gives the readers? He's a douchebag.

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agreed with rick. The excuses for cutler are funny. The packers line cant block for shit either and rodgers is doin fine. Just because the whole team sucks doesnt mean he needs to also

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"Rodgers is doing fine"

Cincinatti and Atlanta > Cleveland and Detriot. Try again, ff.

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that might have more to do with the opponents than with the quarterback, Saint Louis, Detroit, and Cleavland, and the Bears aren't exactly lighting the world on fire on defense...

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frank dont play stupid. I never said the packers are fine. Look at detroit and the bengals, common opponents. Rodgers got sacked way more and still played well. He's played between good and great in every game. He has been great, with a terrible line. The team, not so much

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You said, quote, Rodgers is doing fine. He has also played 3 horrendous teams recently.

Never have I said that Cutler is "great" and doesn't need to improve. I said there are bigger problems on this team than Jay Cutler. That is a fact and it cannot be argued, but you and Rick love to pile on Jay Cutler.

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yeah he played three dogs and did what good qb's do to them. He also outplayed the hell out of cutler week 1, played much better against the bengals than cutler, and played great against the vikings considering the conditions.

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