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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:45 am 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I said there are bigger problems on this team than Jay Cutler. That is a fact and it cannot be argued, but you and Rick love to pile on Jay Cutler.

I never said he was the biggest problem. Maybe for the Green Bay game. Not for this game.

I still don't get your response. Cutler isn't playing like most people thought he would but he isn't the biggest problem. Is that what fact you are arguing?

If you consider someone a franchise QB you should expect him to play like one. If you give up a lot of valuable draft picks for an all pro QB you should expect him to play like one. It's pretty simple.

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yeah he played three dogs and did what good qb's do to them. He also outplayed the hell out of cutler week 1, played much better against the bengals than cutler, and played great against the vikings considering the conditions.

That's four dogs if you include the bears :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:46 am 
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If you want to play that game, fine ff. Lets see what Cutler does next week against the Browns and then a few weeks later against the Rams.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:21 am 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
If you want to play that game, fine ff. Lets see what Cutler does next week against the Browns and then a few weeks later against the Rams.

frank, i cant tell if you legitimately cant comprehend what me and rick are saying or you're just playing dumb. He'll probably play as well as rodgers against those sorry teams. The difference is rodgers has played well against good teams and on the road. Cutler hasn't. Rodgers doesn't turn the ball over and cutler does anytime he's faced adversity. This goes back to his denver days too

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:24 am 
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9 int's in 3 losses, 1 in three wins. Is kinda telling

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:36 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I heard as late as last week that one of the things that was great about Jay Cutler was that you are in every game and not going to get blown out.

There were many people who were saying that a game like yesterday wouldn't happen simply because we have Jay Cutler.

No matter how well Cutler played yesterday the Bears weren't going to win but you would have been shouted down by people if you had argued my first sentence last week.

People have been way too excited about Jay Cutler and are now others are going completely in the opposite direction.

He's a highly skilled QB that has serious flaws in his game that he needs to fix if the Bears are ever going to be a perennial playoff contender.


People should be excited about Jay Cutler. He's a very good QB who does throw a few too many interceptions, but he's now playing in front of a very bad offensive line which compounds the problem. Due to the offensive line problems, the team has had no running game, and Cutler has to get rid of the ball quickly.

I don't think we should panic about his performance given the offensive line issues.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:37 am 
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9 int's in 3 losses, 1 in three wins. Is kinda telling


I'm not sure what you want the guy to do. He's down 28-0 in the first four possessions. Is he supposed to "manage" the game still without any risky downfield throws and slowly get the Bears back to 28-14 by the end of the 4th quarter? Anyone down four scores before you can blink is going to have to make risky throws, and is much more likely to sprinkle in a few pics. Toss out the Packers game (a dud, of course), and when has Cutler really underperformed in a close game?

Has Aaron Rodgers been put in a 28-0 first half deficit on the road by the Packers' defense? No, he's had a bad o-liine as well and has managed his passing in close games and against inferior opponents.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:39 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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And if the defense can get the opposing team's offense off the field, and his Oline can prevent him from getting hit on almost every pass play, I think he will.

It's funny to me that in the same thread someone can call QB "the most important position in all of sports" and then someone can basically blame every other player on the team for poor performance of the QB.


The QB is "the most important position in all of sports", but it's a team game. If the offensive line isn't doing it's job, it's going to be more difficult for the skill position players to do their job.


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agreed with rick. There's a handful of qb's that could've made the game nope respectable. I dont think the writer was wrong, although it certainly lacked any type of analysis


I don't think any QB could have made that game more respectable. When your defense gives up TD drives of about 80, 75, 67 and 63 on the first 4 possessions and when the opposing team doesn't punt until the middle of the 4th quarter, its hard to believe any QB could have kept the team in the game. Add to that an offensive line that can't pass block, and the fact the Bears went away from the running game in the 2nd quarter letting the Bengals tee off on Cutler, its hard for me to put a majority of blame on Cutler.


Agreed - yesterday was a bad day on all fronts. The defense was destroyed, the offense wasn't much better.


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