I don't think the Bears have fired a coach mid-season that I can remember.

If Lovie's guys lose to lowly Clevland,then what? I think the Bears can win the next 2 games and be 5-3 at the half way point. A loss to the Browns can prove disastourous to Lovie's tenure. No excuses BUT huge losses at DT (Harris) & your 3rd string MLB AND 2ND string OLB has to hurt a defense. The biggest loss to the Bears was letting John St. Clair go. He did very well last year at OLT.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I dont know what will happen, but I do know the Bears will win that game. It's almost impossible to foresee how they wont. They really should win at around the same 31-3 score the Packers did. Similarly talented teams, and the Browns are just fuckin awful.

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Just like George Bush had Dick Cheney, Lovie Smith has Ron Turner so I don't want him removed from his position because the other guy would be worse.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's about as damning an indictment of a offensive line I've ever heard.

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I think his pass blocking was pretty good & run blocking adequate.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Dear God do I hate this section the week after losses.

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Fire Phil Emery

IB,
I have been a Lovie fan & still believe the Bears will rebound from this disaster.Lovie teams usually are in the game at the end. I just hope they rebound big against the Brown.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

670 The SCORE's postgame duo of Doug Buffone & Ed O'Bradovich will be so mad, they'll make even Brian "The Whipping Boy" Paruch's ears in the update studio hurt.

Yea, I tried to bring some real football discussion with starting Clark. I rather discuss X's and O's in terms of what went wrong and how we can get better. Blind what if's and outlandish comments do nothing for me

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Team Cutler.

You want to tell me what was good in yesterday's game? There should be a lot of bitching going on, there was a lot of awfulness out there.

It's funny because it's true. I can predict next week's thread already. I'll bump this in a week. It's going to be about 3 pages long. A significant part of the comments are going to be negative, but there won't be that many of them. Schmitty will be a redass for a while if someone drops a pass. There will be absolutely no mention of TDs or positive plays, and after the game there will be ~5 posts saying "well BFD you beat the Browns".

Please bump this on Monday.

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But a new coach would not make the Bears better? I started a thread before the season started saying Dez Clark was getting screwed because his job was handed to the blonde guy. Dez has been one of the Bears clutch guys the past 3-4 years.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

IB your an intelligent football guy. Give me your opinion on yesterday's game.

Pasta you started a thread literally LAST WEEK Thanking Lovie for his performance. Youre all over the road Pasta. Ill be expecting a Lovie Coach of the year thread next week

No,I'm not! I was just putting that question out there. I like Lovie. just read a little higher in this thread!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I place Lovie solidly in the middle third of NFL coaches. The Bears will not win or lose a lot of games strictly based on his coaching. He's very middle of the road. It's a lack of talent on both sides of the ball right now. When your players are bad, the coaching will look bad.

This isn't saying Lovie has no culpability for the game yesterday, because he certainly did, but I'm not running around with a pitchfork today calling for his head.

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Team Cutler.

670 The SCORE's Hub Arkush, also with Pro Football Weekly, is perplexed why certain players get jobs on this roster without winning it on the field. It's not just tight end Greg Olsen getting the job ahead of Desmond Clark, even before #88 got hurt earlier this season, but Frank Omilaye was named left guard ahead of Josh Beekman. Something tells me $$$$$ had a big reason why Frank "won" the job...

No Problem Pasta Ill make sure and be high when I read you from now on.

me,either! They can rebound. Jim Miller said yesterday the Cardinals lossed some games too where they sucked pretty bad. I think the Bears should go no huddle,empty backfield to start the game. if everybody is rushing the QB,SOMEBODY has to be open.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I'd agree. He had a really bad day yesterday, but like players, it happens. Mike McCarthy is in that same boat. They will beat the teams they should, and lose to teams that are better.

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I think it was a demonstration of the lack of skill on the lines that the Bears are dealing with right now. Previous teams have blitzed quite a bit, which in my mind is exactly the wrong way to go about playing the Bears; why rush 6 when you can rush 4 and get the job done? It worked perfectly, and I give them credit for that. It's a problem that's not going to sort itself out quickly.

Equally, on the other side, it demonstrated what I've said all along this season: the defense the Bears have been playing has been borne of necessity, not strength, and the primary reason they've blitzed as much as they have is because the DEs are garbage. They simply cannot get pressure, and the secondary is getting hung out to dry. Add in the fact that you lost one of your best defensive players for the year, and replaced him with someone who is bad at football, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Everyone seems to think that everything Rick said is ridiculous and without merit because he's biased, and I ultimately disagree with him, but he was right about one thing: the cost for Jay Cutler was huge. You simply do not have the resources to restructure the lines the way you would if you had those 1st round picks. Those resources are now tied up elsewhere. Granted, the elsewhere (QB) is pretty important too. But you now lack very important resources needed to restructure your greatest weakness right now. That will be the struggle going forward.

I think that the game demonstrated that the Bears are no more than a fringe playoff team, at best. At the same time, even good teams throw out occasional clunkers -- the Giants lost games 35-13 and 41-17 in 2007, the Colts lost a meaningful game 44-17 in 2006, etc. -- but it is indicative of something.

At the same time... dear God, people, do you watch the NFL? Do you see some of the abject crap on parade in most cities? Kansas City, Oakland, St. Louis, Washington, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Tennessee, Buffalo -- those teams are unquestionably, without doubt, worse than the Bears, and the talent differential is huge. That's a third of the league! Now you can say that being better than the worst is no big deal, which is true, but all I mean to say is that the Bears are a long way away from that lowest tier of abject crap. They're part of that soft middle that can win most games and lose most as well: Houston, Miami, Green Bay, Baltimore, Atlanta, Arizona, both New York teams, etc. Those teams in that middle section are a lot closer to the teams at the top -- New Orleans (right now), Indianapolis, maybe New England, etc. -- then they are to the abject crap.

What I'm saying is, everyone breathe and have some perspective. The fixes from here aren't easy, but the Bears are in the same exact position as about 15 other NFL teams, and are in a hell of a lot better position than another 10. Maybe they're not in that top 6, but then again, who really, honestly expected them to be this year?

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rest of schedule with team I pick to win in blue!

Sunday, 1
Cleveland at Chicago (1:00 PM)
Sunday, 8
Arizona at Chicago (1:00 PM)
Thursday, 12
Chicago at San Francisco (8:20 PM)
Sunday, 22
Philadelphia at Chicago (8:20 PM)
Sunday, 29
Chicago at Minnesota (1:00 PM)
December
Sunday, 6
St. Louis at Chicago (1:00 PM)
Sunday, 13
Green Bay at Chicago (1:00 PM)
Sunday, 20
Chicago at Baltimore (1:00 PM)
Monday, 28
Minnesota at Chicago (8:20 PM)
January
Sunday, 3
Chicago at Detroit (1:00 PM)

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Didn't the Pats, in 03 or 04, I dont remember, lose 31-0 to open the season to the Buffalo Bills?

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I love you more than words can tell
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Yes,I heard that too. I think it was mentioned on the radio today. To look at the bears schedule,it's not unrealistic to see a 10-6 or 9-7 despite yesterday.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I didnt hear it, but I remember the irony of it because, iirc, the Pats beat Buffalo 31-0 to end the season.

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it's called fandom.

If they lose to Cleveland, the season is on the brink of completely falling apart.

As bad as this team looked on Sunday, they do, as you say, have a chance to get to 5-3 at the half way point.

I think they beat the Browns handily, something in the 27-10 next weekend.

Thats correcst. They cut Attorney Malloy during the pre season, after that first game people were questioning Bellichek making that move. I absolutely believe that once 31-0 was in sight Hoodie absolutely did that as a fuck u.