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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:01 pm 
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Bradley has some value. Silva has none. There has to be at least $5M coming the cubs way. If not more.

:roll: I expect very little $$ to change hands on this. Certainly not more than $5 million per as your saying the Cubs should get.

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I'm reserving full judgment until all the particulars come out. I hope to God we have 2-3 million coming back or a low level prospect or two. Silva has less value than Bradley..which is mind boggling

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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spanky wrote:
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Bradley has some value. Silva has none. There has to be at least $5M coming the cubs way. If not more.

:roll: I expect very little $$ to change hands on this. Certainly not more than $5 million per as your saying the Cubs should get.

The cubs traded a bad guy with a bad contract who is a decent baseball player for a bad guy with a bad contract who is an awful baseball player. $5M is the low end of what they should be getting back.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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spanky wrote:
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Bradley has some value. Silva has none. There has to be at least $5M coming the cubs way. If not more.

:roll: I expect very little $$ to change hands on this. Certainly not more than $5 million per as your saying the Cubs should get.

The cubs traded a bad guy with a bad contract who is a decent baseball player for a bad guy with a bad contract who is an awful baseball player. $5M is the low end of what they should be getting back.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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I'll make a bet now that Silva's ERA is within 50 points of Bradley's OPS next year. That'll be sweet.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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At least Bradley is gone!!!!!!!!!! Who cares about Silva is he going to suck? Probably. Bradley is gone though and I am happy!

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Besides, why shouldn't we expect Silva to improve coming from an AL team to an NL team? Isn't that what everybody says, every sngle time something like this happens?

Again, I don't care if they traded for a package of Alfonseca, Cotts, and Hawkins - as long as Bradley is gone.

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a little too desperate on this deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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We have to be getting something back in return. If this deal was a straight swap for players, it would have saved the Cubs money just to cut him. Silva is owed 4 million more than Bradley.

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We have to be getting something back in return. If this deal was a straight swap for players, it would have saved the Cubs money just to cut him. Silva is owed 4 million more than Bradley.

It's closer to a $2 1/2 million differnce between the two years on Silva's contract vs. Bradley's.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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:lol: Hendy is unreal.

At least Pat Burrell might have been a little productive. If anything, the Cubs are worse off talent wise.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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spanky wrote:
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We have to be getting something back in return. If this deal was a straight swap for players, it would have saved the Cubs money just to cut him. Silva is owed 4 million more than Bradley.

It's closer to a $2 1/2 million differnce between the two years on Silva's contract vs. Bradley's.



The money remaining on both contracts is similar. Bradley has $21 million left on his contract -- $9 million in 2010, $12 million in 2011. Silva has $25 million remaining -- $11.5 million in '10 and '11, with a $2 million buyout on a 2012 option.


Still, toss us some sort of bone to make up the difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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:lol: Hendy is unreal.

At least Pat Burrell might have been a little productive. If anything, the Cubs are worse off talent wise.



Yeah that Hendy.....anyways this wasn't about talent it was about Milton being a turd and a distraction. Horrible signing glad hes gone.

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Juan Pierre (talent)
Alex Rios (contract $$$)
Andruw Jones (all dried up/talent)

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Yeah that Hendy.....anyways this wasn't about talent it was about Milton being a turd and a distraction. Horrible signing glad hes gone.

Then cut him and end it. Why pay a pitcher MORE money who lost 15 games 2 years ago and spent most of 2009 on the DL because he was so bad?


spanky if you are comparing Kenny Williams, who continues to prove he is the best GM this city has seen since Krause, you are pulling at straws.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Yeah that Hendy.....anyways this wasn't about talent it was about Milton being a turd and a distraction. Horrible signing glad hes gone.

Then cut him and end it. Why pay a pitcher MORE money who lost 15 games 2 years ago and spent most of 2009 on the DL because he was so bad?


spanky if you are comparing Kenny Williams, who continues to prove he is the best GM this city has seen since Krause, you are pulling at straws.


For what its worth I would have been happy to cut Milton as well. Our long national nightmare is over.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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spanky if you are comparing Kenny Williams, who continues to prove he is the best GM this city has seen since Krause, you are pulling at straws.

He has had an extremely impressive off-season. :lol:


And that's an impressive statement you just made. I fully expect the Sox to beat out the Bulls, Hawks, and Bears for a wild card spot this season. :roll:

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:lol: Frank, who you crappin dude? It would not matter what Hendry did with Milton, you would be here laughing and saying it was a bad deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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IT was a bad deal to begin with, but why compound the mistake by paying a horrible pitcher even more $$? Again, at least Pat Burrell might have hit some meaningful homeruns.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Stupid trade. I wanted Bradley and his punk ass off this team, but I'd rather they'd trade for Wanderlei Silva. This is ridiculous.

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Hitters are batting .400 off of Silva in the Venezuelan Winter League.

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The Cubs are getting $9 Million.

Not enough to release Silva though.

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IT was a bad deal to begin with, but why compound the mistake by paying a horrible pitcher even more $$? Again, at least Pat Burrell might have hit some meaningful homeruns.


I agree it was a bad deal to sign Milton in the first place, but regardless of that, it does not change that I am right on the mark when talking about your reaction to whatever they did with Milton.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Chris in St. Charles wrote:
The Cubs are getting $9 Million.


The deal is done. The Cubs have traded right fielder Milton Bradley to the Seattle Mariners for right-handed pitcher Carlos Silva. The Cubs also will net $9 million out of the deal. We'll hear from Jim Hendry this afternoon.

Silva's numbers are on today's earlier blog.

More to come.



Feel much better about this now.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Much better deal with the cash coming back in .... puts them up about $4MM from straight cutting of Bradley.

Still, leaves very little payroll flexibility and a big hole in the lineup.


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Silva is god-awful. What do you do, bury him in Iowa?

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I didn't think Hendry would be able to move Milton. I'm glad he proved me wrong today. The Mariners could've sent a bag of balls and a used bat rack and I would've been thrilled.


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:lol: Frank, who you crappin dude? It would not matter what Hendry did with Milton, you would be here laughing and saying it was a bad deal.


The humor is going to continue as Milton has a bounceback year and the Cubs give Silva a spot in the rotation at the beginning of the season.

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