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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:27 pm 
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Jon Heyman of SI says it's $6MM, not $9MM, coming back.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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I didn't think Hendry would be able to move Milton. I'm glad he proved me wrong today. The Mariners could've sent a bag of balls and a used bat rack and I would've been thrilled.

I would've preferred that.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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They are. They hate Silva as much as the cubs hate Bradley.


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They are. They hate Silva as much as the cubs hate Bradley.


Cubs hate for Bradley > Mariners hate for Silva

Keyser's hate for the Cub = Keyser's love for the Cub

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Jack Bauer wrote:
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I didn't think Hendry would be able to move Milton. I'm glad he proved me wrong today. The Mariners could've sent a bag of balls and a used bat rack and I would've been thrilled.

I would've preferred that.


True, but the Mariners wouldn't do that. They wanted to dump their big pile as much as the Cubs. Would the Cubs just cut Silva now and "save" the couple million over just cutting Bradley? I suppose as long as he's paid for, you keep Silva and pray he's decent enough to be #5.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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:lol: Frank, who you crappin dude? It would not matter what Hendry did with Milton, you would be here laughing and saying it was a bad deal.


The humor is going to continue as Milton has a bounceback year and the Cubs give Silva a spot in the rotation at the beginning of the season.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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If Hendry and the Ricketts family wanted to make a real splash they would call Matt Holliday and offer him $95M for 5 years. That would really get fans excited and justify any increase in ticket prices.


It won't happen, but if it did, that certainly would be the biggest F U to the Cardinals and Card fans.

What's funny is, right now, the Card fans are all saying how Holliday isn't worth big money and if he is demanding big money, then the Cards are better off without him. However, you just know that if the Cards and Holliday do work something out, regardless of how much money he costs, he will be praised as the best thing ever... you just know it.


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maybe now hendry will move on to more important things that need to be done with this team. good riddance and now everyone can stop obsessing over it


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Martin wrote:
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If Hendry and the Ricketts family wanted to make a real splash they would call Matt Holliday and offer him $95M for 5 years. That would really get fans excited and justify any increase in ticket prices.


It won't happen, but if it did, that certainly would be the biggest F U to the Cardinals and Card fans.

What's funny is, right now, the Card fans are all saying how Holliday isn't worth big money and if he is demanding big money, then the Cards are better off without him. However, you just know that if the Cards and Holliday do work something out, regardless of how much money he costs, he will be praised as the best thing ever... you just know it.

Martin where ya been...we were just talkin' bout you.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Martin wrote:
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If Hendry and the Ricketts family wanted to make a real splash they would call Matt Holliday and offer him $95M for 5 years. That would really get fans excited and justify any increase in ticket prices.


It won't happen, but if it did, that certainly would be the biggest F U to the Cardinals and Card fans.

What's funny is, right now, the Cards fans are all saying how Holliday isn't worth big money and if he is demanding big money, then the Cards are better off without him. However, you just know that if the Cards and Holliday do work something out, regardless of how much money he costs, he will be praised as the best thing ever... you just know it.


I don't think they are all saying that, at least this fan isn't saying that. Holliday is getting a fair offer, and he'd be foolish not to consider hitting in a lineup where opposing teams are constantly walking Pujols with ducks on the pond.

No way Holliday makes any sense to the Cub, he can't play center or right field.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Apologist wrote:
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If Hendry and the Ricketts family wanted to make a real splash they would call Matt Holliday and offer him $95M for 5 years. That would really get fans excited and justify any increase in ticket prices.


It won't happen, but if it did, that certainly would be the biggest F U to the Cardinals and Card fans.

What's funny is, right now, the Cards fans are all saying how Holliday isn't worth big money and if he is demanding big money, then the Cards are better off without him. However, you just know that if the Cards and Holliday do work something out, regardless of how much money he costs, he will be praised as the best thing ever... you just know it.


I don't think they are all saying that, at least this fan isn't saying that. Holliday is getting a fair offer, and he'd be foolish not to consider hitting in a lineup where opposing teams are constantly walking Pujols with ducks on the pond.

No way Holliday makes any sense to the Cub, he can't play center or right field.


You find a way to fit Holliday into your lineup.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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You find a way to fit Holliday into your lineup.


that is the last thing this team needs to do, sign another big money guy to play a position he cant play. signing willie mays in his prime to play center would not get this team over the hump and winning a world series. no more big money, back-loaded long-term contracts. enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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The Mariners signed this guy for $48 million over 4 years in 2008? Holy crap that was dumb. It's not like he was good and then fell apart; he'd had one good season, in 2005.

Throw him in the bullpen and hope he can eat up some innings.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Yeah and people are praising Jack Z for finding someone dumb enough to trade for him. Jim Hendry, the gift that keeps on giving.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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It's just less money to pay a guy to stay home but I still think there was a better deal out there to be had. Hold on for a while, talk about how you talked to him and he's changed, let time pass for people to forget and then trade him when you don't look so desperate. This only saves you about $4-5 mildo. There was a better way to play this.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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I REALLY want to find out what TB's offer was for Burrell. Burrrell has value as a 4th outfielder/pinch hitter or they could have traded him to an AL team. It's hard to believe the best option was trading for arguably the worst player in baseball.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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IT was a bad deal to begin with, but why compound the mistake by paying a horrible pitcher even more $$? Again, at least Pat Burrell might have hit some meaningful homeruns.

playing what? Fourth baseman? Unless he took a bat to Soriano's knee first, there's no position for him.

Watch Silva come in and be fine. AL to NL might be good for him. I'll go out on a limb and call it a good trade for the Cubs that puts 'em back at the top of the Central.

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I REALLY want to find out what TB's offer was for Burrell. Burrrell has value as a 4th outfielder/pinch hitter or they could have traded him to an AL team. It's hard to believe the best option was trading for arguably the worst player in baseball.


You are another one who would be bitching about this trade no matter what Hendry did.

Shouldn't you be polishing up your life size picture of Rios and Pierre?

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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I'll go out on a limb and call it a good trade for the Cubs that puts 'em back at the top of the Central.


Wow. What are you drinking?

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I'll go out on a limb and call it a good trade for the Cubs that puts 'em back at the top of the Central.


Wow. What are you drinking?

Capri Sun '91-raspberry.

I have no backup reason...just my tea leaves...

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I hope those aren't the same leaves that told you Mariano Rivera was 'done'.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Only Cub fans would welcome a guy who has gone 5-18 over the last 2 seasons with open arms.

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Only Cub fans would welcome a guy who has gone 5-18 over the last 2 seasons with open arms.

I'm not welcoming him at all. I want the guy released before they even get down to AZ.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Only Cub fans would welcome a guy who has gone 5-18 over the last 2 seasons with open arms.

they're surgically stuck that way. Thanks for pointing that out.

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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Only Cub fans would welcome a guy who has gone 5-18 over the last 2 seasons with open arms.


those aren't cub fans...


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Who's welcoming him? He's just the shit we got back in trade. I would love to see him cut, but that's not gonna happen.

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hes not welcome. hes just collateral damage in this fiasco


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Nas wrote:
You would think after getting a box of balls for Sosa Hendry would learn that trashing a player you want to trade won't get you anything valuable.

The trade he should have learned from was the Jason Marquis trade. Just last year Hendry traded a player with value for a worthless player (Luis Vizcaino) under the guise of 'saving money'. Vizcaino (and his $3.5M contract) was released while Marquis went on to lead his playoff team in starts, wins and was 2nd in innings pitched. Marquis was also offered arbitration and if he doesn't resign the Rockies will get a supplemental draft pick in June. Troy Renck (Rockies beat writer) wrote an article how it was the best trade the Rockies ever made. I have a feeling a Mariner's beat writer will be writing the same article this time next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Moving Milton?
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Frank always has to stick his nose into any Cubs related posts
and then make a totally ignorant comment. Is anyone surprised today?
This was the best deal that Hendry could make, which is why he did it.
His only options were to get another bad contract or wait
until just before spring training and trade Bradley for a couple of marginal
prospects and also pay all of Bradley's salary like he did when he dumped Sosa.
No one in Cubland is happy about Carlos Silva, Frankie, just interested to see
if he has anything left in the tank that might help us out. There is always hope.
That is why we are Cub fans.

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