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When it involved Sage Rosenfels or Tavaris Jackson you can. Without Farve the 2009 Vikings don't win more than 9 games.

again there's no way to know that. Unless you think gus is a very good qb. They did last year with him


As I mentioned earlier they did all of this with AP having a career year. This year the Vikings lost Birk and AP's production has dropped by 20% and he has turned the ball over more then he has at anytime in his career. After all of this that combination of Sage and Tarvaris still sweeps the Packers and beats the 49ers and Ravens. Your Packers division prediction would have likely been right with no Favre.


No it wouldn't have. I guess you didnt see the games between the Packers and Vikings this year. Their O Line looked like the best Line in history. Sage could have picked them apart with that type of production. It's not hard to imagine Sage or Tarvaris could have won both those games. The 49ers and Ravens games they may have lost. They may not have though. You're smart enough to realize that if you chance the QB's, everything would change. The butterfly effect. It's very unlikely if they played that 49ers game over it would have played out exactly the same, needing a miracle throw to win the game. So yeah, I think Minnesota led by Sage or Jackson is capable of beating the 49ers. They would be 10-6 this year without Favre.

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The great Nas has been reduced to making predictions about things that will never happen. Where are those days where Nas would throw down an entire NFL week schedule and hit 55-60%?

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?


Not necessarily. Just dont make stuff up that the other person says. I've found I agree with IB that that's really irritating so I shamelessly stole that. I say enough dumb shit without someone having to make it up.

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The John Kirk rule is that I say enough crazy-enough shit that I have to argue against that I don't feel like arguing on behalf of things I never said or shooting down allegations that I said them. So if I feel that I never said that, I want an actual quote, so when I say "Devin Hester is an NFL receiver" it isn't turned into "Irish Boy thinks Devin Hester is an all-pro wide receiver". It's tiresome to have to reiterate your position over and over again, so by simply writing "John Kirk rule", I save myself and everyone else the time. You can just assume that I never said whatever was claimed, unless there's a quote to the contrary.

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?


On two separate occasions IB posted a message stating that he would prefer Lovie Smith as a head coach over Gruden, Shanahan, Billick or Holmgren. IB also posted a few times about the Bears WR's defending their play & stats. When I recently posted a message laughing at the stupidity of IB's comments, rather than admitting that he made these comments, he responded with the JK rule.
I didn't make these things up folks & a few of you who PM'd me remember the comments.

If you're going to make comments. at least have the conviction to stand behind them, or have the balls to admit you were wrong.

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So what's the John Kirk rule? That you have to find the exact quote of what someone says?


On two separate occasions IB posted a message stating that he would prefer Lovie Smith as a head coach over Gruden, Shanahan, Billick or Holmgren. IB also posted a few times about the Bears WR's defending their play & stats. When I recently posted a message laughing at the stupidity of IB's comments, rather than admitting that he made these comments, he responded with the JK rule.
I didn't make these things up folks & a few of you who PM'd me remember the comments.

If you're going to make comments. at least have the conviction to stand behind them, or have the balls to admit you were wrong.

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As annoying and already tired as it is, I'm glad its the 'JOHN KIRK RULE' and not the 'Scorehead Rule'

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As for the coaches thing, all I've said is that I don't want any of those coaches. I'd still rather have Lovie than Billick or Holmgren. You all will too within six weeks. I'm completely agnostic as to Lovie vs Shanahan or Gruden. I don't like either of those coaches. And I've been completely consistent in saying that I don't think Lovie is a very good coach, and I've provided a list of coaches I'd rather have, including former head coaches and first time coaches. So untwist your panties.

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The John Kirk rule is that I say enough crazy-enough shit that I have to argue against that I don't feel like arguing on behalf of things I never said or shooting down allegations that I said them. So if I feel that I never said that, I want an actual quote, so when I say "Devin Hester is an NFL receiver" it isn't turned into "Irish Boy thinks Devin Hester is an all-pro wide receiver". It's tiresome to have to reiterate your position over and over again, so by simply writing "John Kirk rule", I save myself and everyone else the time. You can just assume that I never said whatever was claimed, unless there's a quote to the contrary.


IB...Do you remember on two seperate occasions posting your opinion that Lovie Smith is a better head foootball coach than Gruden, Shanahan, Billick, or Holmgren? Really? I even gave you a chance to re-think it about two weeks ago & you reiterated your position.
I realize that you probably realized how silly it is to still think that Lovie is the preferred choice over the rest of the guys cited, but at least have the balls to admit it.

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The John Kirk rule is that I say enough crazy-enough shit that I have to argue against that I don't feel like arguing on behalf of things I never said or shooting down allegations that I said them. So if I feel that I never said that, I want an actual quote, so when I say "Devin Hester is an NFL receiver" it isn't turned into "Irish Boy thinks Devin Hester is an all-pro wide receiver". It's tiresome to have to reiterate your position over and over again, so by simply writing "John Kirk rule", I save myself and everyone else the time. You can just assume that I never said whatever was claimed, unless there's a quote to the contrary.


IB...Do you remember on two seperate occasions posting your opinion that Lovie Smith is a better head foootball coach than Gruden, Shanahan, Billick, or Holmgren? Really? I even gave you a chance to re-think it about two weeks ago & you reiterated your position.
I realize that you probably realized how silly it is to still think that Lovie is the preferred choice over the rest of the guys cited, but at least have the balls to admit it.

I just repeated myself two minutes ago, dumbass. My whole point is that I don't like any of those coaches.

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As for the coaches thing, all I've said is that I don't want any of those coaches. I'd still rather have Lovie than Billick or Holmgren. You all will too within six weeks. I'm completely agnostic as to Lovie vs Shanahan or Gruden. I don't like either of those coaches. And I've been completely consistent in saying that I don't think Lovie is a very good coach, and I've provided a list of coaches I'd rather have, including former head coaches and first time coaches. So untwist your panties.


My panties arent twisted. All I am trying to do is defend myself from you alleging that I have fabricated your posts regarding head coaches & Bears WR's. That's all.
As for Shanahan & Gruden, don't you think that either of these guys would be good for Cutler & the development of him & the Bears offense?

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Gruden certainly has a long history of developing young quarterbacks. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I've already said, I've provided a list of coaches I'd rather have at this point. Cowher, Schottenheimer, Harbaugh, even Ryan in Cleveland. That list is certainly non-exhaustive. Why are you so enamored with the discarded trash of other NFL organizations?

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Since when did ESPN's Mike Tirico sport a baseball cap? :? I realize it was cold, but on a couple of occasions when cameras panned on Tirico, Ron Jaworski & Jon Gruden, I noticed Mike sporting a black baseball cap in the booth... I remember times when Chicago's own Brent Musburger sported a hat when he was broadcasting from cold weather sites over the years at CBS Sports, ABC Sports & ESPN, but nothing like the black cap Tirico wore.

Also, due to contractual obligations with WBBM Newsradio 780 and the Bears' Radio Network, we couldn't hear the Westwood One call of the game with Kevin Harlan & Boomer Esiason here in Chicago. I'd be very curious to hear how Kevin called Jay Cutler's 4th TD, the 39-yard game winner to Devin Aromashodu in OT to win it, compared to how WBBM's Jeff Joniak called it locally. Also, I wonder if Boomer, Westwood One's #1 analyst, took back what he said about Jay's leadership and body language during a recent chat with Mac & Spiegs on 670 The SCORE & 670thescore.com about a month ago.


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Gruden certainly has a long history of developing young quarterbacks. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I've already said, I've provided a list of coaches I'd rather have at this point. Cowher, Schottenheimer, Harbaugh, even Ryan in Cleveland. That list is certainly non-exhaustive. Why are you so enamored with the discarded trash of other NFL organizations?


Every coach in the NFL is someone elses "discarded trash". I am enamored with success.

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Gruden certainly has a long history of developing young quarterbacks. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As I've already said, I've provided a list of coaches I'd rather have at this point. Cowher, Schottenheimer, Harbaugh, even Ryan in Cleveland. That list is certainly non-exhaustive. Why are you so enamored with the discarded trash of other NFL organizations?


Gruden has a long history of coaching offense.

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Yes. He also has no history of developing quarterbacks, and absolutely hates having to bring younger players up to speed in his system.

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I am enamored with success.

You certainly are...

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I listened to Mike North on day 1 on the Score. He is a Chicago original...a self made Man...and I still like him and miss him every time I hear the Mully & Hanley shitfest.
You know what would be really fun? If North was the Program Diresctor of the Score. He certainly wouldn't put up with the crap that Rosen is putting out.

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I am enamored with success.

You certainly are...

Scorehead wrote:
I listened to Mike North on day 1 on the Score. He is a Chicago original...a self made Man...and I still like him and miss him every time I hear the Mully & Hanley shitfest.
You know what would be really fun? If North was the Program Diresctor of the Score. He certainly wouldn't put up with the crap that Rosen is putting out.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


So you want to argue whether Mike North was a success or not? Really?

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Then you have no reason to want Shanny unless he is bringing John Elway and Terrell Davis with him.

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Scorehead is enamored with people who were successful a decade ago.


You cant take championship rings or paychecks away from people.

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You cant take championship rings or paychecks away from people.

I can't, but the feds might feel differently.

Chuck Noll is still alive. He has rings. Let's get him!

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Then you have no reason to want Shanny unless he is bringing John Elway and Terrell Davis with him.


He did okay as OC for the 49ers. Steve Young credits him in his development.


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Then you have no reason to want Shanny unless he is bringing John Elway and Terrell Davis with him.


He did okay as OC for the 49ers. Steve Young credits him in his development.


Great. Kill 2 birds with one stone and hire him to replace Turner and Hamilton. 8)

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Then you have no reason to want Shanny unless he is bringing John Elway and Terrell Davis with him.


He did okay as OC for the 49ers. Steve Young credits him in his development.


Yep. He did more than OK. Shanny was the OC when Young won his SB in 1994. That was one of the greatest offenses ever. Then he went on to win 2 with the Broncos.


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Then you have no reason to want Shanny unless he is bringing John Elway and Terrell Davis with him.


He did okay as OC for the 49ers. Steve Young credits him in his development.


Yep. He did more than OK. Shanny was the OC when Young won his SB in 1994. That was one of the greatest offenses ever. Then he went on to win 2 with the Broncos.


And what is the constant in both of those? He had HOF players, it is easy to look like a genius when you have Young, Rice, Elway & Davis. Since his HOF players retired, he has done nothing.

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