Glorious. Fucking glorious.

And if Jeter played for the Reds, he'd have 24 postseason hits.

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This is what is known in the law as an "irrelevant and objectionable" point.

The point that had been made by Degenerative Dave was that he had heard from some lunatic(s) that the statistics of the "very good" Barry Larkin and the "Legendary Future Hall of Famer and Captain of the Glorious Twenty-Seven (27) Time World Champion New York Yankees" Derek Sanderson Jeter were "comparable."

Are statistics in the post-season imaginary? Do they not count? Are we to simply close our eyes and pretend that Derek Sanderson Jeter's legendary playoff clutch performances are not directly tied to his undeniable greatness? Most importantly, are these magic grits?

Utilizing my computer to access a data base of statistics, and employing my ingenious legal mind pro bono, as it were, I have crafted an award winning argument that proves conclusively that the above referenced statistics are comparable only if one were to look at them after a month touring with the dirty hippy band Phish and smoking copious amounts of marijuana while doing so.

In any case, I wish you the best of luck as you engage upon what I am certain will be a riveting romantic endeavor with your new girlfriend. You are truly an inspiration to all downtrodden people. Keep hope alive in 2010!

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I'll never be able to get past Jeter's inability to win even a single Silver Slugger award at his position until he cowardly orchestrated the acquisition of Alex Rodriguez for the sole purpose of changing Rodriguez's position to allow him (Jeter) the opportunity to win the award a mere 4 times.

While Barry Louis Larkin won the Silver Slugger award on 9 different occasions (surpassed by no other SS in either league to this day) as he was clearly the dominant offensive performer at his position for a decade.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Jeter is a poor defensive player as well.



As for HOF,

Alomar
Dawson

that's it...

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I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that you are mentally imbalanced and/or high on crack cocaine. If you are married, I would suggest that your wife immediately have a restraining order entered against you. If you have children, I would suggest that they be placed far, far away with their grandparents or some other out-of-state relative or friend. Only the Good Lord knows when you will completely snap.

Most mental illnesses and/or crack cocaine addictions can be treated successfully. The first step, however, is to admit that you have a problem. We will not think any less of you if you admit that you have been defeated by a mightier foe. Nay, we will all collectively applaud your courage.

May God be with you in your struggle ahead.

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So is Dan Marino one of the great QB's in NFL history, or not because he never won a Super Bowl?

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/larkiba01.shtml

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1. Alan Trammell (914)
2. Ray Durham (869)
3. Derek Jeter (866)
4. Ryne Sandberg (865) *
5. Edgar Renteria (849)
6. Joe Cronin (846) *
7. Lou Whitaker (841)
8. Roberto Alomar (840)
9. Jay Bell (840)
10. Pee Wee Reese (836) *

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

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I'm obviously not in New York, but i simply base it what (limited) observation I have of him. He's made a few jump and throw highlights, but to my eye he looks to have limited range and an average arm, both of which can only be declining at this point. I'm not going to base any baseball arguments purely on sabremetrics either, but the range factor numbers the last few years has indicated he is well below league average.

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I am not sure what these mysterious numbers mean, but Alan Trammell, Ryne Sandberg and Jay Bell?!? Thank you for making the case that whoever made this nonsensical list does not know what they are talking about.

Derek Sanderson Jeter at FIFTY (50) years old would be better than any of these losers. Ryne Sandberg has to be the lamest, stalest Hall of Fame member since Bill Mazeroski. Derek Sanderson Jeter should refuse to be inducted into the Hall of Fame until Ryne Sandberg is evicted from same.

Maybe I will not go on any trips to the Rock and Roll and Baseball Halls of Fame until Pete Seeger, Run DMC and Ryne Sandberg are unceremoniously ousted!

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So YES to maybe the greatest sacrifice bunter of all-time Phil Rizzuto and his .273 lifetime average and 38 home runs but NO to Barry Larkin. Got it.

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There's a lot of "hustle" type players inducted from that era. In my mind Trammell and Larkin are similar, good production from the shortstop position, but not necessarily Hall worthy.

BTW, I'm not stating that Jeter isn't HOF worthy, I don't think 1st ballot however. I just believe his defense has always been mediocre.

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Here's the list of similar legendary "hustle" Phil Rizzuto-types that have gotten screwed.

None of which, I just noticed, were lifelong members of the New York Baseball Yankees...

JOSE OFFERMAN FOR THE HALL!!!

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Art Fletcher (919)
Billy Rogell (916)
Lonny Frey (910)
Billy Jurges (910)
Claude Ritchey (909)
Marty Marion (905)
Lyn Lary (904)
Jose Offerman (904)
Hughie Critz (904)
Doggie Miller (904)

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You are becoming quite a bur in my proverbial saddle. First of all, I never said that Barry Larkin shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I simply scoffed at any comparison between him and Derek Sanderson Jeter.

Second, I grew up listening to The Scooter, Phil Rizzuto, but I never saw him play. Of course, he is a Glorious New York Yankee Champion, which is not definitely something that not everybody can not say.

It is very fortunate that we are communicating via computer. The last guy that bad mouthed Phil Rizzuto to me ended up in the infirmary, then the mental institution when I continued haunting him with psychological warfare.

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Fair enough. Scoff away.

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If defense really really mattered at all to the HOF, Jeter wouldn't have a prayer of getting in.

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It might not keep someone out, but it certainly can get people in...so I wouldn't say it doesn't matter...

Case in point, my all time favorite player...

Do your fancy, incomprehensible statistics mention anything about how many Nazis these other ballplayers defeated? The Scooter, Phil Rizzuto, served his Country with great distinction in World War II. There are numerous accounts, too lengthy to be reproduced here, of how The Scooter, Phil Rizzuto's heroism was unprecedented in an age when the United States of America was proud to boast numerous great fighting men.

If it was not for The Scooter, Phil Rizzuto, and others like him, all of you would be speaking German, if your ancestors were not viciously murdered by Hitler and Ernst Rohm's roving gang of thugs. German, of course, is a gutteral and ugly language, and their music is far too heavily based on the oompah-oompah style which I do not particularly care for in the least. It would be interesting to ponder whether, if Nazi Germany conquered the U.S.A., one might be able to obtain a BMW or Mercedes at a price comparable to what one might pay for a Ford. Of course, this would be small comfort in light of the death camps and constantly having to give the Nazi salute, which might prove rather boring over a long period of time, not to mention medically unsound for your shoulder joint. Good luck with your vegetarianism under the Nazi regime! Do all of you love football and baseball? Well, enjoy it because of men like The Scooter, Phil Rizzuto. There have been no studies that I am aware of which indicate that the Nazis would have allowed these sports to continue. Get ready for James Brown hosting CBS' coverage of Sunday Bundesliga Pregame!

I am certain that I speak for all of this board in thanking The Scooter, Phil Rizzuto for his Hall of Fame American Heroism.

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Rirruto won the war all by himself?

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Other than this brief response, which I will deem, for our purposes, as a non-respone, I will not respond to this vicious character assasination. Good luck in prison.

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SR has made this thread extremely entertaining the last couple of days.

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Does your cat make too much noise? Try KITTEN MITTENS!


Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

Bert has to go and Tommy John should go based on who else is already in there.

Tommy John has won more games than any eligible pitcher not in the Hall of Fame and has also won more games than 52 pitchers already in the Hall of Fame. In his career, he won 288 games, compiled a 3.34 ERA, threw 46 shutouts, won 20 games three times, and was elected to four all-star teams. He started more games than any left-hander in history, save for Steve Carlton. Also gets bonus points for the surgery.

Bert Blyleven is right behind TJ in career wins with 287. He ranks fifth on the all-time strikeouts list behind Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, and Carlton. He threw 60 shutouts, which ranks him ninth on the all-time list. All eight pitchers ahead of him are in the Hall of Fame. He won 17 or more games on seven occasions and had a lifetime ERA of 3.31. threw 24 complete games in 1985. Never won a Cy

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Bob good call on Elbow Ligament Replacement Guy. I forgot about him. Are you sure on his win total though? I don't recall him being that close to 300?

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Does your cat make too much noise? Try KITTEN MITTENS!


Charlie: Oh shit. Look at that door dude. See that door right there? That door marked 'Pirate'? You think a pirate lives in there?
Dennis: I see a door marked 'Private.'

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Bob good call on Elbow Ligament Replacement Guy. I forgot about him. Are you sure on his win total though? I don't recall him being that close to 300?[/quote]

Yep, I was surprised myself, but he was 288-231

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... to01.shtml

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Ahhh, now it all makes sense. I liked you better when you were Mustang Rob.

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Well, Mantle has done one thing that nobody (or very few) HOF'ers have done. Drank thru thier first liver, and got a second one in front of hundreds of others far deserving.

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Our very own Frank Costanza is like an annoying, pesky mosquito, and I am like a strong and proud African lion (although I am not actually from an African background - put quite simply, I am unaware of lions living anywhere other than in Africa - I am not counting mountain lions). Obviously, I am far stronger and more powerful than the pesky mosquito, but that pesky mosquito has a knack for irritating me to the point where I have to lash out, oft times unsuccessfully, with my giant fangs or tail. While that mosquito is definitely irritating, it is definitely not life-threatening, unless, again, one were to live in Africa, which I presently do not. Let us just say that I might stick out like a sore thumb, except in South Africa. The pesky Costanza mosquito, however, can certainly ruin a nice picnic, symbolically represented by The Chicago Sports Fan Message Board.

This particular annoying mosquito happens to be a White Sox fan. All of this fits together rather nicely, as the White Sox are the mosquito of the African savanna, while The GIorious Twenty-Seven (27) Time World Champion New York Yankees are the "King of the Jungle and/or Savanna." Instead of a constant, maddening BUZZZZZZING noise, this Frank Costanza mosquito chatters on and on, all the while displaying a deep hatred and jealousy for all things related to The Glorious New York Yankees.

I wish Frank Costanza nothing but the best in the year ahead, and I consider him a great internet friend, despite his mosquito-like tendencies.

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