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As good as this game was, we have huge game next week vs. Viqueens in the Dome...I'm hoping that the viqueens go on a sex cruise this week.


I wish Culpepper was still playing for them. He's been brutal this year.


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Mark Anderson and Danieal Manning have really opened my eyes. Both have incredible athleticism and seem to possess good instincts for the game. If I were Chris Harris or Alex Brown, I'd be pretty nervous about my future with the team.

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Alex Brown is a complete defensive end. It is rarely mentioned, but he is a SUPERIOR player defending the run. Run defense is his strongest area. That is saying something as I consider him an excellent pass rusher as well. So I don't think he has anything to worry about in Anderson. The truth is you can never have enough pass rushers. If Anderson ends up progressing, you may see a day where Ogunleye, Brown and Anderson are all on the field in passing downs.

Manning has made plays in each of the 2 games. However, I think it is Mike Brown who may have something to be nervous about.

The thing I am glad to see is the lack of attention on the corners. Peanut has played against two top receivers (Driver and Williams) and done a nice job.


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Three early legit badouches on Johnson from T&T will make him just as bad.


For a guy who blew out his hamstring in April, spent four months rehabbing the injury, and didn't even start practicing until late August, Tank Johnson has looked awfully impressive so far. I have no idea how he recovered so fast, but he's playing like a maniac out there...


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Thomas Jones has blown so far this season. While the blocking hasn't been great, he hasn't seen some holes that have developed. In the first half, for instance, he ran into a pile-up off the left guard when he could have had huge yards by bouncing outside the left tackle. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Benson at this point.

Mark Anderson and Danieal Manning have really opened my eyes. Both have incredible athleticism and seem to possess good instincts for the game. If I were Chris Harris or Alex Brown, I'd be pretty nervous about my future with the team.

It almost goes without saying, but Grossman's accuracy has been unbelievable. It will be interesting to see what he does against a more mature and imposing defense, but his throws have been elite-type stuff. For now, at least, I have an erexion.


The running game does have to get better TM, I agree....But opposing D's are zeroing in on our running game, which is opening up our ability to comlete more passes...Who knows, thats' what Mully and Hanley were talking about a while ago.


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He sure has. I thought he was better than Harris last year. Harris has stepped up his game a notch so that they are now on equal footing.


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Whatever happened to this Dusty Dvorcek kid. I heard so much about him in the preseason and I know he got hurt. Will he see any action in the Bears 36-0 blowout of the vikings?


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Thanks. The guy looks scary, just want to see if he plays as scary.

Tillman ruined my 34-0 prediction

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Thanks. The guy looks scary, just want to see if he plays as scary.

Tillman ruined my 34-0 prediction

Damnit Tillman.


Haha he looks scary Murton, but did you ever check out his resume that was posted on here? Reminds me more in the vein of Mike Greenberg than a powerhouse ball player.


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how exactly? when ever did Mike Greenberg put a college roomate in the hospital after a drunken rage face pounding? :)

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how exactly? when ever did Mike Greenberg put a college roomate in the hospital after a drunken rage face pounding? :)


I was talking more about the hobbies being clothes and shopping, or whatever the hell it was. Maybe my memoy is just piss poor.


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While Grossman has played great so far this year I believe a lot of his success is due to the fact both teams are playing to stop the run and he is carving them up. Hopefully he will continue to have success in the passing game and spread the ball around and that will result in more holes for the running game. He is up there with Peyton Manning in the way he sells the play action.

Yeah, no doubt. The playaction has been deadly so far this year; all the big plays have been off the playaction. I like this offense; the opposition has to respect the running game, and that will open up the passing game all season long. Apparently, the Bearsss have realized that you're allowed to throw to the tight ends, and the receiving core is seemingly coming together. Moose has been great, and he should do as the 'go to' guy when times are tough.

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Alex Brown is a complete defensive end. It is rarely mentioned, but he is a SUPERIOR player defending the run. Run defense is his strongest area. That is saying something as I consider him an excellent pass rusher as well.


What makes you say he's an excellent pass rusher? He's never had more than six sacks in a season. That's excellent?

When you play defensive end and you're good against the run but have limited pass rush skills, you are replaceable.


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I know sacks mean a lot to everyone but Alex Brown is always around the quarterback. He has missed about 10 sacks in the past couple of years. He might not sack the QB a lot but he causes a lot of problems in the passing game.


You should change your screen name to Greg Blache. Pressure may indeed "cause problems" for a QB, but a QB sack poses much more dramatic problems. The fact that Brown is often around the QB but rarely sacks him is probably a better argument for his replacement than it is an endorsement of his skills.


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Alex Brown is a complete defensive end. It is rarely mentioned, but he is a SUPERIOR player defending the run. Run defense is his strongest area. That is saying something as I consider him an excellent pass rusher as well.


What makes you say he's an excellent pass rusher? He's never had more than six sacks in a season. That's excellent?

When you play defensive end and you're good against the run but have limited pass rush skills, you are replaceable.


Limited pass rush skills? I think you are relying much too heavily on statistics. Alex Brown puts consistent pressure on the QB. He does not belong in the elite group of pass rushers but he is definitely in the top quarter.

He is not just good against the run, he is superior. I'm not blowing smoke on this one. Just watch him. He is great on containing the runner when it comes to his side. He is absolutely fantastic at running down the play when it is run to the opposite side.

He is a complete defensive end and those are not easily replaceable. This was recognized by the beloved when they signed him to a big contract and the NFL when he was named an alternate to the Pro Bowl.


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Limited pass rush skills? I think you are relying much too heavily on statistics. Alex Brown puts consistent pressure on the QB. He does not belong in the elite group of pass rushers but he is definitely in the top quarter.


So you think defensive ends who regularly tally twice the number of sacks Brown averages aren't also generating twice the pressure? Please. Your argument is silly. He is the fourth best player on the Bears front four and is a pass rusher with limited pass rush skills. Players like that are perennial candidates for replacement.


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Tall, do you have anything positive to say pertaining to Chicago sports?


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Tall, do you have anything positive to say pertaining to Chicago sports?


Tommie Harris is a very good player who shows signs of becoming great. Ogunleye is a very good defensive end. Tank Johnson finished last season very strong and looks like he may become an elite player.

Mark Anderson and Danieal Manning have shown early signs of being very good draft choices.....

But as for Alex Brown--don't crap on my plate and tell me it's dinner.


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Limited pass rush skills? I think you are relying much too heavily on statistics. Alex Brown puts consistent pressure on the QB. He does not belong in the elite group of pass rushers but he is definitely in the top quarter.


So you think defensive ends who regularly tally twice the number of sacks Brown averages aren't also generating twice the pressure? Please. Your argument is silly. He is the fourth best player on the Bears front four and is a pass rusher with limited pass rush skills. Players like that are perennial candidates for replacement.


Your douchebag response implys that I said a person with 12 sacks isn't generating as much pressure as Brown. A person with double the amount of sacks is an elite pass rusher. As I said he is not elite but he is in the upper quarter as a pass rusher.

I use the word excellent, because, simply put, he is an excellent DE. He is a good pass rusher and a superior run defender. He was recognized as such by his peers last year and by the Bears prior to that.

I guess we will never know if he is a perennial candidate for replacement because the Bears never seem to want to replace him....unless, of course, that would make him not a perennial candidate for replacement.


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Your douchebag response implys that I said a person with 12 sacks isn't generating as much pressure as Brown. A person with double the amount of sacks is an elite pass rusher. As I said he is not elite but he is in the upper quarter as a pass rusher.


You implied that he gets more pressure than his below average sack totals suggest. If you weren't implying that, then he couldn't logically be considered an "excellent" pass rusher (as you originally called him), could he? So which is it? Are you saying his sack totals accurately reflect his pass rushing prowess--in which case you are conceding that he is less than an excellent pass rusher--or are you claiming that he gets more pressure than his numbers indicate--in which case you are back to being silly?

Again, Brown is the fourth best player on the front four. Ogunleye and Harris are double-teamed and/or chipped much more frequently than Brown, who rarely, if ever, commands special attention. This method of dealing with Brown--combined with his lackluster numbers in response to it--says all I need to know about him.


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Your douchebag response implys that I said a person with 12 sacks isn't generating as much pressure as Brown. A person with double the amount of sacks is an elite pass rusher. As I said he is not elite but he is in the upper quarter as a pass rusher.


You implied that he gets more pressure than his below average sack totals suggest. If you weren't implying that, then he couldn't logically be considered an "excellent" pass rusher (as you originally called him), could he? So which is it? Are you saying his sack totals accurately reflect his pass rushing prowess--in which case you are conceding that he is less than an excellent pass rusher--or are you claiming that he gets more pressure than his numbers indicate--in which case you are back to being silly?

Again, Brown is the fourth best player on the front four. Ogunleye and Harris are double-teamed and/or chipped much more frequently than Brown, who rarely, if ever, commands special attention. This method of dealing with Brown--combined with his lackluster numbers in response to it--says all I need to know about him.


Let's take care of your silly argument first since it came up before mine: Is it common for a team to sign a player to a long term contract while at the same time looking to replace him perennially. Are there other teams in the league that you know of that are actively seeking to replace a Pro Bowl defensive end with approximately 5 years of service.

A little bit further on your assertion that Brown is the 4th best player on the line. You have no proof other than personal anecdotal evidence that Harris gets double teamed more than Brown. I don't believe that is true. Prove me wrong to defend your position.

I'll get back to my part of the argument when I have time.

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Let's take care of your silly argument first since it came up before mine: Is it common for a team to sign a player to a long term contract while at the same time looking to replace him perennially. Are there other teams in the league that you know of that are actively seeking to replace a Pro Bowl defensive end with approximately 5 years of service.

A little bit further on your assertion that Brown is the 4th best player on the line. You have no proof other than personal anecdotal evidence that Harris gets double teamed more than Brown. I don't believe that is true. Prove me wrong to defend your position.



1)Length of contract means absolutely nothing in the NFL. Brown's signing bonus was only 5 million, which is fairly low. So yes, that makes him easily replaceable. And to clarify, I didn't say the Bears have made it a priority to replace him. My argument is simply that he's not that great of a player and isn't paid all that well. Thus, he is easily benched or cut, especially if Mark Anderson develops as the Bears anticipate.

2)I don't really care that you don't believe my claims about the double team. I will only say that many commentators have noted Brown's inability to command a double team--including Hub and Bernstein, who have explained this point in detail. Next time either of them is on the air, call the Score and start arguing that Alex Brown is an excellent pass rusher. See how far you get before you're laughed off the air.


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TM Brown faced a lot of double teams last year(usually by a TE) because he was so disruptive against the run and pass.


He got double teamed some times, but not as much as Tommie Harris or Ogunleye. I will admit that in one or two games--specifically against Tampa [and possibly Carolina, if I remember correctly]--teams started double teaming Ogunleye but switched to Brown because he was dominating. The standard strategy is to start with chips and double teams on Ogunleye, though, because he is the superior pass rusher.


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You can really believe Tank Johnson or Ian Scott is better than Brown.


In my opinion, Tank Johnson was the best Bears d-lineman the second half of last season. He was a monster and shows every sign of being an even bigger beast this year. My only concern is that he'll be put in jail before he realizes his potential on the field.


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He doesn't play every down and isn't that good against the run.


I agree that his play has been somewhat inconsistent. He was definitely better than Ian Scott the second half of last season, though. Scott's play noticeably dropped off while Tank really took off and ended up making more plays in that span than even Harris did.


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He really needs to hire someone to help him with the other side of the ball.


Hey, he did get your guy Grossman, though. If Rex continues to come through, Angelo will change his reputation with one draft choice.


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