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LOS ANGELES -- Blake Griffin's first season with the Los Angeles Clippers is over before it even began.

Griffin will have surgery on his broken left kneecap, keeping the No. 1 draft pick out for at least four more months, the eternally star-crossed Clippers announced in a statement Wednesday.

Griffin hasn't played a regular-season game yet for the Clippers after injuring his kneecap in their final preseason game Oct. 23, wincing in pain as he landed after a dunk. After resting the stress fracture for several weeks, the former Oklahoma star recently increased his workload in rehabilitation by running on an anti-gravity treadmill.

The power forward developed pain in his knee, and an examination Tuesday revealed his recovery wasn't progressing properly. The Clippers said more details would be announced soon.

After a loss in Memphis on Tuesday, the Clippers will play at New Orleans on Wednesday night before returning to Los Angeles for a road game against the Lakers on Friday.

Griffin was the consensus college player of the year with 22.7 points and an NCAA-best 14.4 rebounds per game last season for the Sooners, and the Clippers eagerly chose him in last June's draft.

Griffin averaged 13.7 points and 8.1 rebounds during the preseason, and coach Mike Dunleavy and his new teammates all expected him to be a major part of their comeback season. Instead, Griffin has never been fully healthy in Los Angeles, even straining his right shoulder during summer league play in Las Vegas.

Griffin's woes sadly can't be surprising to fans of a team with just two winning seasons in the last 30 years and just one playoff series victory since moving to town in 1984.

The Clippers also have a long history of disappointing draft picks, including a pair of No. 1 overall choices that didn't dazzle.

Danny Manning played just 26 games in his rookie season in 1988-89 after tearing his knee ligament and undergoing surgery, though he eventually became an All-Star before fleeing town. Michael Olowokandi, the top pick in 1998, played just 45 games in his rookie season, and he wasn't much help even when healthy during five underachieving seasons.

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It's official. No one should ever draft a post player #1 in the NBA draft.

Call it the Oden/Griffin rule.

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More proof positive that the Los Angeles Clippers are a snakebit franchise. I think it's safe to say the Clippers are already making reservations for that "Match Game"-like set in Secaucus, NJ for the NBA Draft Lottery this May.


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while i understand and definitely appreciate the hilarity in this douchebag, i find it more sad

i don't give a shit about the clippers but as an NBA fan, i want to see him play and see what he can do. it's been a pretty impressive rookie class this year even without him, but seeing those glimpses of him makes you wonder what could have been. to me it's sad that we already have Redd, Oden and now Griffin all gone for the year. now i get to see DeAndre Jordan play C for them? ugh


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while i understand and definitely appreciate the hilarity in this douchebag, i find it more sad

i don't give a shit about the clippers but as an NBA fan, i want to see him play and see what he can do. it's been a pretty impressive rookie class this year even without him, but seeing those glimpses of him makes you wonder what could have been. to me it's sad that we already have Redd, Oden and now Griffin all gone for the year. now i get to see DeAndre Jordan play C for them? ugh


Completely agree!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's official. No one should ever draft a post player #1 in the NBA draft.

Call it the Oden/Griffin rule.


How about we call this one the Clipper curse.

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To be fair Oden sucks, injuries or no injuries. Forget the Blazers. Watch the Thunder.

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Jalapenos and More wrote:
To be fair Oden sucks, injuries or no injuries. Forget the Blazers. Watch the Thunder.


how can you say that? the guy hasn't had hardly any actual playing time in the NBA. i want to see a full season of him playing

In 21 games this season:
23.9 MPG, 11.1 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 2.29 BPG, 60% FG, 77% FT

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I feel bad for Griffin, but on the other hand, anything bad that happens to Donald Sterling makes me smile.

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Bagels wrote:
Jalapenos and More wrote:
To be fair Oden sucks, injuries or no injuries. Forget the Blazers. Watch the Thunder.


how can you say that? the guy hasn't had hardly any actual playing time in the NBA. i want to see a full season of him playing

In 21 games this season:
23.9 MPG, 11.1 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 2.29 BPG, 60% FG, 77% FT

That's pretty damn good for limited duty


Exactly. Oden might become a pretty good Center if he can stay healthy. Obviously a HUGE if.

Count me among the people upset by this. The Clippers would probably be a playoff team with a healthy Griffin.

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Jalapenos and More wrote:
To be fair Oden sucks, injuries or no injuries. Forget the Blazers. Watch the Thunder.


how can you say that? the guy hasn't had hardly any actual playing time in the NBA. i want to see a full season of him playing

In 21 games this season:
23.9 MPG, 11.1 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 2.29 BPG, 60% FG, 77% FT

That's pretty damn good for limited duty


Exactly. Oden might become a pretty good Center if he can stay healthy. Obviously a HUGE if.

Count me among the people upset by this. The Clippers would probably be a playoff team with a healthy Griffin.

Shouldn't Oden be a 15 & 12 guy?

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Oden was better this year than last, and I'll attribute that to injuries. Forget the numbers and watch him play, whenever that happens next. I've watched him play about 30 games, 3 in person.

- He is tremendously slow at everything and makes the fundamental mistake of bringing the ball down when grabbing a contested rebound.

- He is always out of position on defense; good post players eat his lunch. Joel Przybilla is a much better defender, and he's not that good. To be fair, he doesn't get a lot of help. LaMarcus Aldridge plays PF like a SF on both ends of the court.

- You know why he has some limited minutes? He can't stay out of foul trouble, which stems from his terrible defense.

- His FG percentage is misleading because he dunks so much. He cannot make a shot more than 6 feet away from the basket, except for free throws.

- He doesn't have a thick skin. Not that he gets irritated with people, but he sulks and withdraws, and even takes criticism from beat writers to heart.

- It's almost somewhat unfair to him that he'll be held to the No. 1 pick standard. Especially because Kevin Durant was available. Oden could be the center on a championship team, but so was Luc Longley.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's official. No one should ever draft a post player #1 in the NBA draft.

Call it the Oden/Griffin rule.


Shouldn't we call it the Bowie/Ogden/Griffin rule? I mean, Bowie is the epitome of the busted draft pick.


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Off the top of my head, Bowie went #2 (behind Olajuwon)

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Who got picked 3rd that year?

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I don't know what an anti-gravity treadmill is but it sounds damn cool.

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you're right. How about Olawakandi then?


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't know what an anti-gravity treadmill is but it sounds damn cool.


I saw one on some show I was watching one day. They're used for rehab. I believe the price tag was $50k. A guy like you probably wipes your ass with that in the morning. :wink:

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Mike who?

Mike Gminski. All-American badass.

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you're right. How about Olawakandi then?

Despite technically being a #2, you were closer with your Bowie analogy. Bowie was unfortunate and hurty, whereas Olowakandi was downright lazy and never worked to become a better player.

Oden doesn't suffer a desire problem, he just is extremely awkward physically.

I think Griffin can be a decent power player, if he ever gets on the court and away from the Clips..

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Mike who?

Mike Gminski. All-American badass.

Ah, thanks.

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Big Ern wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's official. No one should ever draft a post player #1 in the NBA draft.

Call it the Oden/Griffin rule.


Shouldn't we call it the Bowie/Ogden/Griffin rule? I mean, Bowie is the epitome of the busted draft pick.


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Shouldn't Oden be a 15 & 12 guy?


That's pretty lofty expectations for a player with about a season under his belt right now. If he ever figures out how to stay healthy, he will be a good player. Everyone thought Z would never stay in the league, that turned around.

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Oden was better this year than last, and I'll attribute that to injuries. Forget the numbers and watch him play, whenever that happens next. I've watched him play about 30 games, 3 in person.

- He is tremendously slow at everything and makes the fundamental mistake of bringing the ball down when grabbing a contested rebound.

- He is always out of position on defense; good post players eat his lunch. Joel Przybilla is a much better defender, and he's not that good. To be fair, he doesn't get a lot of help. LaMarcus Aldridge plays PF like a SF on both ends of the court.

- You know why he has some limited minutes? He can't stay out of foul trouble, which stems from his terrible defense.

- His FG percentage is misleading because he dunks so much. He cannot make a shot more than 6 feet away from the basket, except for free throws.

- He doesn't have a thick skin. Not that he gets irritated with people, but he sulks and withdraws, and even takes criticism from beat writers to heart.

- It's almost somewhat unfair to him that he'll be held to the No. 1 pick standard. Especially because Kevin Durant was available. Oden could be the center on a championship team, but so was Luc Longley.


Perhaps, but speed and quickness isn't exactly a top requirement of a post player. he's clearly a more traditional center and that's almost extinct in the NBA these days so maybe it just seems unusual. I'm not saying it wouldn't help he had the speed of chris paul too, but I don't think that's a terrible concern. it's not like he suddenly became slow, that's his game. i trust your second point as i have not seen him play all that many games, even in college. but he's a rookie and hasn't played much in general, i think that's a correctable problem. So what is his FG% is high from dunks? Isn't that what you want him doing? why would you want him taking jumpers and thinking he's chris webber or something. I don't get that. did shaq ever shoot outside of 6 feet? not comparing oden to oneal but more the style of player he is. look, I think it's pretty clear Durant is going to be way more dominating of a player but someone mentioned previous page shouldn't he be a 15/10 player and i think that's very reasonable. I think he can. might not be worthy of being the #1 pick but like joe smith, he was never a dominating player as a #1 pick should be but he still had a very very good career. unfortunately though all of this is predicated on him being healthy which seems like it may never happen. could be another pervis ellison

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Isn't that what George walked Astro on?

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Shouldn't Oden be a 15 & 12 guy?


That's pretty lofty expectations for a player with about a season under his belt right now. If he ever figures out how to stay healthy, he will be a good player. Everyone thought Z would never stay in the league, that turned around.

Elton Brand was a 20-10 guy the day he stepped in the NBA. I don't think asking for five less points, and two more rebounds a game are lofty expectations at all.

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