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Holt open to Martz reunion

Torry Holt had the best seasons of his career in Mike Martz's offense, and the free-agent receiver is open to a reunion with the new Chicago Bears offensive coordinator.

Holt was a seven-time Pro Bowler when he and Martz were with the St. Louis Rams, and it's his familiarity with the complex offense that he says makes him a perfect fit for the Bears as they try to learn the system.

"Absolutely I would consider coming to Chicago because of Coach Martz," Holt said Friday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "I have kept in contact with him over the course of the years. That's my guy. I've got a lot of history with Coach Martz, a lot of great years there obviously in St. Louis. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a man and as a coach. Most importantly what I respect the most is his mind. I respect his passion for the game of football. I respect the standards he sets everyday."

Holt, who posted eight straight 1,000-yard receiving seasons in St. Louis, had some advice for the Bears' receivers as they begin learning Martz's offense.

"In his system you've got to be able to run," Holt said. "That's one of the things I would tell those guys, you better be able to run, and you better be cerebral to learn, and you better have thick skin because he is so demanding. You are working with a guy who is a perfectionist. If you can't do those three things and you're not tough and you're not willing to go and block and be efficient and be quick you will not play in his system."

Holt, who will be 34 next season, spent last season with the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Bears were reportedly interested in Holt before last season, but elected to stick with their young receiving corps.

Holt said he made it known then that he would like to join the Bears, and, a year later, he is making it known again.

"This year I would again consider coming to Chicago and helping that football team out, helping Jay Cutler in terms of helping him get settled in that offense and give him a quality and consistent weapon play after play along with Hester and Aromashodu and Knox and Bennett and Forte and Olsen, I mean the list goes on and on with the talent that they have," Holt said. "I think I could fit in really well with that ballclub and add a really good veteran presence."

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 Post subject: Re: Torry Holt
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 Post subject: Re: Torry Holt
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 Post subject: Re: Torry Holt
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Meh...I say it can't hurt. Give it a try in preseason. Just don't sign him to more than a one year deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Torry Holt
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Torry Holt might be able to play the role of Isaac Bruce from those Rams teams...and Hester is going to be Az-Hakim...so, who fills the role of Torry Holt...

...and more importantly...Ricky Proehl?


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I wonder if he has anything left in the tank - It can't turn out worse than the Marty Booker experiment :eye:


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 Post subject: Re: Torry Holt
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I know this is probably going to be an unpopular stance but I can't believe that the Bears are all but giving up on Devin Hester in order to hope that some unwanted castoff WR can have a career revival.

I still think Hester is the best WR on the team or is at least top two with Bennett.

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Meh...I say it can't hurt. Give it a try in preseason. Just don't sign him to more than a one year deal.



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Might as well take a chance on Holt. The Bears have nothing to lose in doing so. He might be able to help the Bears WR's learn Martz's system too. Hell, Holt might even be the Bears #1 WR.

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I know this is probably going to be an unpopular stance but I can't believe that the Bears are all but giving up on Devin Hester in order to hope that some unwanted castoff WR can have a career revival.

I still think Hester is the best WR on the team or is at least top two with Bennett.


They aren't giving up on him at all. They are using him the way they should have in the beginning. Putting him in the slot is best for him and the Bears. Also I don't believe they are looking for a castoff. They are looking for a #1 guy to play on the opposite side of Devin A.

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Meh...I say it can't hurt. Give it a try in preseason. Just don't sign him to more than a one year deal.



Agreed...


I don't think it would hurt but Holt is clearly past his prime. He would be looking to come in and play a role that he isn't able to play anymore. If the Bears aren't bringing in a #1 guy I think they should stick with the young guys.

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When is the acquisition of mike furrey going to happen? Dude can play a little D as well.

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I know this is probably going to be an unpopular stance but I can't believe that the Bears are all but giving up on Devin Hester in order to hope that some unwanted castoff WR can have a career revival.

I still think Hester is the best WR on the team or is at least top two with Bennett.


They aren't giving up on him at all. They are using him the way they should have in the beginning. Putting him in the slot is best for him and the Bears. Also I don't believe they are looking for a castoff. They are looking for a #1 guy to play on the opposite side of Devin A.
Listening to Martz talk I got the feeling that Martz feels he's simply a return man who may get some time at WR every so often. He's not a #1 but he's still better than any WR on the team besides possibly Bennett if he continues to improve.

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I think he is at best the 3rd best receiver on the team. Everything I saw from Devin A says he is the best. He is the type of target Cutler loves too. He is only 6'2" but he plays bigger than that. I think Martz was just being honest. Hester will be a playmaker next year if he can learn a few plays.

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 Post subject: Re: Torry Holt
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Is this a team of #3 WR's, or do we have a few guys who can be better than that? If so, who?

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Devin A and Knox are the only guys I see being more than a #3. Bennett seems more like a possession receiver. Hester is a slot receiver. Not sure what Iglesias can do.

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I know this is probably going to be an unpopular stance but I can't believe that the Bears are all but giving up on Devin Hester in order to hope that some unwanted castoff WR can have a career revival.

I still think Hester is the best WR on the team or is at least top two with Bennett.


They aren't giving up on him at all. They are using him the way they should have in the beginning. Putting him in the slot is best for him and the Bears. Also I don't believe they are looking for a castoff. They are looking for a #1 guy to play on the opposite side of Devin A.
Listening to Martz talk I got the feeling that Martz feels he's simply a return man who may get some time at WR every so often. He's not a #1 but he's still better than any WR on the team besides possibly Bennett if he continues to improve.


Mike Martz is a smart Man. In one week he already has a better understanding of his players than Lovie.

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Devin A and Knox are the only guys I see being more than a #3. Bennett seems more like a possession receiver. Hester is a slot receiver. Not sure what Iglesias can do.


I'll be shocked if Knox turns into a bonafide NFL WR. To me he's a guy who got hot for a few weeks & that's it. He had more mediocre games than good games. He's small & scared to death to run any pattern across the middle. Hester should be used exactly like the Browns use Cribbs. Devin A is the only big WR the Bears have who can get physical & go up & get the ball. To me D.A. is the clear #1.
I would love to know what Cutler told Martz when they met for dinner. I highly doubt that Jay told him that the Bears are all set at WR. Greg Olsen looks like he might end up being yet another useless #1 Bears draft pick.

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Devin A and Knox are the only guys I see being more than a #3. Bennett seems more like a possession receiver. Hester is a slot receiver. Not sure what Iglesias can do.


I'll be shocked if Knox turns into a bonafide NFL WR. To me he's a guy who got hot for a few weeks & that's it. He had more mediocre games than good games. He's small & scared to death to run any pattern across the middle. Hester should be used exactly like the Browns use Cribbs. Devin A is the only big WR the Bears have who can get physical & go up & get the ball. To me D.A. is the clear #1.
I would love to know what Cutler told Martz when they met for dinner. I highly doubt that Jay told him that the Bears are all set at WR. Greg Olsen looks like he might end up being yet another useless #1 Bears draft pick.

Cribbs is not on a 4th grade educational level though. The best thing hester can do is get a 3rd round pick in return for his exit.

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Jay probably told him this is a mess. Martz had NO other opportunities, and was wanted by the head coach of the Bears. Devin A is not a big, but I will not dismiss him as a number 3 at best. I want to see what happens when he is getting doubles, but I hope he is great. Many of the top line wide receivers in the game today were not top draft picks.

Also, Mike Martz was on TMZ the other day hanging out with Portia D'Rossi. He better be careful with this Chicago crowd!

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I think he is at best the 3rd best receiver on the team. Everything I saw from Devin A says he is the best. He is the type of target Cutler loves too. He is only 6'2" but he plays bigger than that. I think Martz was just being honest. Hester will be a playmaker next year if he can learn a few plays.


I hope Hester has already downloaded the Martz playbook from the Score's website. That way he can get an early start on learning a few ;)

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I'm leaning towards no on this and agree with HOVA.


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They aren't giving up on him at all. They are using him the way they should have in the beginning. Putting him in the slot is best for him and the Bears. Also I don't believe they are looking for a castoff. They are looking for a #1 guy to play on the opposite side of Devin A.

You're probably right, but if thats really the case, why even entertain the thought of Torry Holt? The Bears have enough medicore receivers and Holt is only a #1 if we go back at least 4 or 5 years. They need to worry about the Oline and the secondary first and foremost.

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Here's how I see it...

Holt 1 or 2
Aromashodu 1 or 2
Knox 3A (Speed Guy)
Bennett 3B (Possession Guy)
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34 year old Torry Holt is the #1?
Cutler is doomed.

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I don't understand why everyone is excluding Mike Furrey from the conversation.

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I don't understand why everyone is excluding Mike Furrey from the conversation.

Too White....

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I don't understand why everyone is excluding Mike Furrey from the conversation.

Too White....

all he has to be is ricky proehl

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34 year old Torry Holt is the #1?
Cutler is doomed.

A 34 Year Old Terrell Owens had 81 Catches for 1355 Yards and 15 TD's in 2007.....

A 34 Year Old Jerry Rice had 108 catches for 1254 Yards and 11 TD's in 1996.......

A 34 Year Old Tim Brown had 76 catches for 1128 and 11 TD's in 2000....

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34 year old Torry Holt is the #1?
Cutler is doomed.

A 34 Year Old Terrell Owens had 81 Catches for 1355 Yards and 15 TD's in 2007.....

A 34 Year Old Jerry Rice had 108 catches for 1254 Yards and 11 TD's in 1996.......

A 34 Year Old Tim Brown had 76 catches for 1128 and 11 TD's in 2000....


A 33 year old Torry Holt had 51 catches for 722 and 0 TD's

A 32 year old Torry Holt had 64 catches for 796 and 3 td's

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