Spinnin-The stuff last year in the playoffs can debated all day. It happened, so what? Do you think we'd be speaking in such glowing terms of the Patriots if the Raiders had won that AFC Championship game in '01-'02, which they got screwed out of?

There are some top 5 picks that any GM would make. Grossman was a pick that not everybody would make. Tommy Harris too. He's failed at some first round picks. No doubt. But that speaks to how good he is that we've had this dominance early in the season. His later round picks are unbeleivable.

Who's trying to take it away? What I'm saying is that there is a fine line between being a genius and being a goat when it come to public perception. I believe thinking fans aim to look deeper.

They would be "meat & potatoes", and therefore, blue-collar football. Bernstein would boycott Bears discussions from his show.

Once again Jerry and Kenny aren't "genious". I never said that. I'm shooting down your point that a team can win "in spite of the GM". That's all Bucket.

You haven't shot down shit. I am fully convinced that Angelo is an average GM. And the Bears may very well win a SuperBowl with him. Terrific. I'll enjoy it no more or no less.

When did Angelo get here? '01? So when we make the playoffs this year, that will be three out of six years we've been to the playoffs under his watch.

Well I tried and succeded. The fact that you can't see it is amazing. Just remember when you're cheering our beloved Bears that somebody brought them here. He wasn't throwing darts on draft day. We've had alot of bad GM's. So when we get a good GM you should recoginze him. If he's not good that means that when GM's produce bad reccords then they are not bad. By your logic.

And his career win-loss record will be a sweltering 32-37. Strike up the band.

Well you don't count 01 because that 13-3 team was Hatley's team. He got here after the draft that year.

Can I have that again, in English this time?

And his record is bad. 32 wins in 69 games.

Honest question Bucket. Who do you consider a good or great GM in all of sports.

I'm drinking Bucket. I'm typing fast without thinking also. I don't care. So you got me on my bad grammar. Don't dismiss the points with that.

You, Beardown, with the Yankees payroll. I believe you mentioned earlier this week you could win it with their bankroll.

Seriously, though, here are a handful:

Scott Pioli in New England. One of the best in the game. Billy Beane in Oakland. Consistently wins with a low payroll. Terry Ryan in Minnesota. Jerry West is a solid GM. John Paxson has proven his worth. Etc, etc.

Fine. I agree.

Scott Pioli- If that kicker missed those field goals in those championship runs then he wouldn't have titles. That's the argument you made with Kenny. See what I'm saying.

Paxon- In his 3 seasons we are below .500. under his watch. First season bad then 2 playoff years. You threw Jerry's reccord at me. See what I'm saying. It takes time to build. You give it to Pax.

I'm not talking about his titles. I'm talking about his moves. It's 1 o'clock in the morning and I'm really not in the mood to run down the last 4 Patriots offseasons, maybe another day, but my respect for Pioli is about him being a shrewd businessman, not his good fortune in January.



Pax inherited one of the worst teams in basketball history and made it a winning club in a very short time. It's apples to oranges. Besides, football rosters turnover between 1/4 to 1/3 every offseason, it happens quicker, basketball doesn't work that way.

One final post before I call it a night -

No matter what happens this year, I still believe Angelo is nothing special. However, given enough opportunities, average guys can have their moments. I do believe Angelo is having a good year. It'd be insane to suggest otherwise. They're arguably the best team in the league. When I say win a title in spite of Angelo, I don't mean he put together a shitty roster and by some miracle these crappy players are running the table and shocking the world. What I'm saying is he's not very good overall, he happens to be having a good run, I'm enjoying it, but will never say "thank sweet Jesus we hired Jerry Angelo".

I'm tired too. But, while Jerry inherited a playoff team, it was old and did it with smoke and mirrors. He's turned over that roster that had a closed window.

Kenny's made some shrewd business moves too. Locking up Dye for 3 years at a small price was smart. He got the Phillies to take most of Thome's contract. He's done well.

Nice arguing with you Bucket. We should both go to bed. Talk to you later.

I read a lot - I haven't seen many columnists talking about the team that Angelo has built into possibly the best in the league.

Can you explain why he's an average GM ?

I fully realize he isn't perfect, and has made some bad draft picks, and lost a season not having the QB position figured out.

Looking at the current team:

Rex Grossman - he drafted, and was patient with, even through the outcry's to bench him for Griese, bring in Warner/some other free agent vet in the past few years.
Thomas Jones - very good signing to an affordable contract with Benson right behind him - great depth.
Signed Muhammed - probably overpaid, but he was coming off a big season so he had to be paid, and waited for Berrian to develop (3rd round pick) instead of signing another free agent veteran. I didn't mention finding Rashied Davis.
The OL is one of the best in the league.

On Defense, he has drafted T.Harris, T.Johnson, I.Scott, M.Anderson, L.Briggs, N.Vasher, C.Tillman, and D.Manning. Yes, he inherited Brown and Urlacher, but he also added Ogunleye through trade, R.Manning through free agency, and Idonje/Hillemayer after they were cut by other teams..

R.Gould is also off the streets...

Not saying Angelo is perfect, but he's done an A+ in building this team - best defense in football mostly through the draft, and an emerging offense as well that's scoring 30 points a week.

This may not be the biggest Who Gives A Shit topic ever posted on this board, but it certainly deserves to be ranked.

The third string QB? I cannot even name the 3rd stringer from the Super Bowl.

Record, eh?
hmmmm...

how about "I am the neckbeard"?

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Angelo has put a good team together this year but he is really lucky they are playing as well as they are. He has made some piss poor decisions and drafts over the last 4 years.

Yeah, well, if the Bears do win a SB, the city's shelves will be devoid of mouthwash.

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