Mickey Charles Mantle batted right handed some of the time.

All time Ops leaders
(Removed the lefties, and the people already caught juicing, )
4. Albert Pujols (29) 1.0547 R
6. Jimmie Foxx+ 1.0376 R
7. Hank Greenberg+ 1.0169 R
8. Rogers Hornsby+ 1.0103 R
12. Mickey Mantle+ .9773 B
13. Joe DiMaggio+ .9771 R
15. Frank Thomas .9740 R
16. Lance Berkman (33) .9673 B
22. Vladimir Guerrero (34) .9543 R
23. Jeff Bagwell .9480 R
25. Chipper Jones (37) .9468 B
26. Ralph Kiner+ .9459 R
30. Willie Mays+ .9414 R
33. Albert Belle .9333 R
Edgar Martinez .9333 R
35. Matt Holliday (29) .9327 R
37. Harry Heilmann+ .9300 R
39. Hank Aaron+ .9285 R
43. Frank Robinson+ .9259 R
44. Miguel Cabrera (26) .9247 R

I didn't notice the best of all time comment.

I don't think thats accurate...probably the best hitter of that era however. Esepcially because he pretty much assumed to be clean.

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try this, using adjusted OPS

Player (age) Adjusted OPS+
Rogers Hornsby+  175
Albert Pujols (29) 172
Jimmie Foxx+  163
Hank Greenberg+  158
Dick Allen  156
Willie Mays+  156
Frank Thomas  156
Hank Aaron+  155
Joe DiMaggio+  155
Frank Robinson+  154

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Just givin' you shit, there, Francis - you know, the whole meatball Cubs hater thing...

For some reason, I read that as "that era" and not all time. The +1 as far as lack of steriods though still stands.

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Did any of those guys have a 10 year stretch like Frank? Were any of those guys better in their prime? I doubt it. His numbers got worse when he started focusing on hitting home runs.

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from 1920-1931 hornsby posted a .378AVG .456OBP .629SLG 1.085OPS 185OPS+

1990-2001 thomas .319AVG .438OBP .577SLG 1.015OPS 167OPS+

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I tend not to really care what was done BJR. Babe Ruth was the most dominate player to play any sport but I still put an * next to his name.

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If I amend it to 8 years Frank has the edge.

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I tend to ignore anything post-1969. Too many teams. All the good athletes are playing other sports. PEDS. The best baseball had to be 1950s-1960s.

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I ignore ever year except 1986.

Jesse Barfield is the greatest right handed hitter of all time.

You're probably right. Baseball was my favorite sport for a long time so it's hard for me to ignore the late 80's and early 90's.

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Where does Kirby Puckett rate? I beleive Frank Thomas was clean. He was just one big dude along the likes of Frank Howard,Boog Powell,Willie Stargell,etc. Greatest RH Hitter? How about Henry Aaron,Willie Mays or Hack Wilson? The list is endless. Over the last 25-30 years,Frank's name would be near the top.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

No one in the "Steroid Era" gets to be considered clean. That's the price the player's association pays for dragging their feet on testing. It isn't to say they should have just caved on it, but they weighed their choices and this is what they get.

that may be true, but if frank did what he did while clean, and everyone else was on the juice, his numbers should be adjusted upward.

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How many juiced pitchers did Frank Thomas face?

Nobody knows for sure, but its likely a lot more than Rogers Hornsby faced.

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How many of those pitchers Hornsby faced threw off a mound 5 inches higher than the ones that threw to Frank did?

...or in MUCH larger, watered-down pool of players

When you play against the same teams over and over it becomes a little bit easier for the better players.

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I honestly don't know if you're right or wrong on this one, man, but if you're constantly playing against guys like these, you're probably not gonna fare too well, IMHO:

Dick Allen 156
Willie Mays+ 156
Hank Aaron+ 155
Joe DiMaggio+ 155
Frank Robinson+ 154

or batting against guys like: Bob Gibson, Warren Spahn, Fergie Jenkins, Bert Blyleven, Robin Roberts, Whitey Ford...

I "believe" he looked pretty good today...

I believe you are correct

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I believe I can fly.

Stupid mult.

Huge day for the steroid freak.

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Fuck Edwards and Zobrist

Nope. I dont assume he's a roid guy. I assume he's clean, and just awesome.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I'm sure there were more than just those two. I never felt like Griffey cheated. His body got slower, weaker, and older at a normal decline rate. He never seemed suspicious to me. Then again, I dont care about the whole steroids issue nearly as much as most people do.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

One of the best one week starts in the history of baseball.