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LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Chicago Bears strong safety Mike Brown is out indefinitely after undergoing surgery to repair ligament damage in his right foot Wednesday, a major hit for the NFL's second-ranked defense.

How badly will we miss him?

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Sounds like he's gone for the season.
I guess it's a good thing that Harris (when he comes back from his own injury), and Todd Johnson/Cameron Worrell have had some playing time over the past season....still, big loss losing Brown.


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MJH had a brief but interesting discussion...is it time for Mike to consider hanging em up? I dont know if he's 'done' but he sure is snake bit and has suffered some really damaging injuries to a d back over the last few years with achilles and now the foot. I would be surprised if he's a Bear after this year.


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I agree with ya Nas. It's not like there are other safeties just sitting on the market looking for work. They have Harris, Johnson and Worrell on the team that can fill the SS role. I think Harris is better suited to being the run stopper than he was as a FS anyway. If Brown isnt ready by week 15, maybe you look to fill a hole somewhere, but until them there is no rush.


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Why Panther? Yes, he's been a good player. Had 4 good seasons but now has followed that up with 4 years of injury plagued seasons. This organization had a similar player in Mark Carrier and Tony Parrish - they weren't lifers. Carrier was a 3 time pro bowler and let go to sign with the Lions.


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I think Brown is a good player. I also think the media has overrated his value to the fans. They make him out to be a Hall of Famer and he is not. He's undersized and is not a big hitter. He makes good reads but I think we have good depth at Safety. Thank god Angelo drafted Manning. I think because he's well spoken to the media they fell in love with him. We'll be fine with out him. Trust me.

I do agree that we should not IR him however. We don't need that roster spot. Maybe he can be healthy by week 14 or even the playoffs. I'm sure there is some history on his injury. Unless they defidently know he won't be healthy by the playoffs then why IR him?


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Ok Nas. Then we'll go 0-10 the rest of the way right? It's a hit but we'll overcome it. Are advancement in the playoffs will have nothing to do with his absense.


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Well, let's wait for the playoff loss if there is one. His absense won't be one we can defidently prove was the difference. We're not in the huddle or on the field. But I don't think it will be the difference.


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The 85 Bears did lose Bell. But look at who replaced him. The wife beater Dave Duerson. I think Todd Johnson and Chris Harris will be adequate replacements this year just like Duerson. If there was no depth I'd be worried.


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they had a great defense last year without him and they'll stay great without him. brown is awesome when he's healthy. unfortunately he hasn't been healthy over the last couple of years. i hope he makes it back for the playoffs but i think they'll be ok if doesn't make it back.


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The Bears didn't lose Todd Bell. Bell decided he was worth more money and held out. Bad decision.


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I agree that Brown is a good player and the Bears will miss him, but I don't see this as a catastrophic loss that everybody else is making it out to be. Before the touchdown, I remember thinking "I haven't heard Mike Brown's name called a lot this year". Now, I'm not so ignorant that I think that just because his name isn't called by the announcers that he's not making a difference. It does show, however, that there are 10 other guys on that defense who are also difference makers. Put an average player in for Brown and there's not a huge drop off in the overall production of the D. Bears.

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There is a huge drop off.


To support Nas' point, I would point out that the '05 Bears defense allowed about 10 pts/game with Brown, and about 19 pts/game without him. So unless the Brown doubters are calling this immense disparity a coincidence, Nas is correct about Brown's impact--at least last year. The Bears appear, however, to be in a better position this year to survive without Brown. The defensive line is playing better, the offense is much more productive, they're more explosive in the return game, and have more proven depth in the secondary. Hopefully things will work out, but the defense's susceptibility to the big play is now a definite concern for me.


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[quote="Tall Midget]The Bears appear, however, to be in a better position this year to survive without Brown. The defensive line is playing better, the offense is much more productive, they're more explosive in the return game, and have more proven depth in the secondary. Hopefully things will work out, but the defense's susceptibility to the big play is now a definite concern for me.[/quote]

This is all I'm saying. I'm not discounting Brown as a leader or playmaker. I just think the rest of the squad will pick up the slack..

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brown's definately a leader but urlacher is the bread and butter of that defense.


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Nas wrote:
I don't want to see him go yet. I say leave a spot open for him in case he can come back for the playoffs. They are 10X's better with him. It's not like it will hurt the Bears to keep the spot open.


Do what they did with Grossman last season...unless there's no possible way he'll be back for the playoffs, leave him on the active roster unless other injuries creep up and we need his roster spot.


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They put him on IR this afternoon.

Will the real Chris Harris please stand up?


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Nas wrote:
I think Harris might be the best option too


They believe that Harris will be better at Brown's safety position....any timetable when Harris will be back ?


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I'll be succinct. It's a huge loss.

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It's a big injury. Brown is a huge loss and I don't think much of Johnson. He needs to step up big time. I also think this will expose Tillman even more. This will be huge come playoff time.


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I agree that Brown is a good player and the Bears will miss him, but I don't see this as a catastrophic loss that everybody else is making it out to be. Before the touchdown, I remember thinking "I haven't heard Mike Brown's name called a lot this year". Now, I'm not so ignorant that I think that just because his name isn't called by the announcers that he's not making a difference. It does show, however, that there are 10 other guys on that defense who are also difference makers. Put an average player in for Brown and there's not a huge drop off in the overall production of the D. Bears.



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I agree that Brown is a good player and the Bears will miss him, but I don't see this as a catastrophic loss that everybody else is making it out to be. Before the touchdown, I remember thinking "I haven't heard Mike Brown's name called a lot this year". Now, I'm not so ignorant that I think that just because his name isn't called by the announcers that he's not making a difference. It does show, however, that there are 10 other guys on that defense who are also difference makers. Put an average player in for Brown and there's not a huge drop off in the overall production of the D. Bears.



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Put an average player in for Brown and there's not a huge drop off in the overall production of the D. Bears.

Looks like I'm an idiot


Your only wrong if you think Chris Harris and Todd Johnson are average players.

Unfortunately I think they are below average.


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I like Todd Johnson alright but Chris Harris is constantly out of position...

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Put an average player in for Brown and there's not a huge drop off in the overall production of the D. Bears.

Looks like I'm an idiot


Your only wrong if you think Chris Harris and Todd Johnson are average players.

Unfortunately I think they are below average.


They would be average if their talents were fused together to form some sort of uber backup.

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I agree that Brown is a good player and the Bears will miss him, but I don't see this as a catastrophic loss that everybody else is making it out to be. Before the touchdown, I remember thinking "I haven't heard Mike Brown's name called a lot this year". Now, I'm not so ignorant that I think that just because his name isn't called by the announcers that he's not making a difference. It does show, however, that there are 10 other guys on that defense who are also difference makers. Put an average player in for Brown and there's not a huge drop off in the overall production of the D. Bears.

Looks like I'm an idiot.

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Ironically, I was with Bulldog on that! :P

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Ironically, I was with Bulldog on that! :P


I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. :wink:

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