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I assume this movie is hated as well .....

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Bad comparison. The contents of the case were really never important to the story...

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I don't remember QT telling fans of that movie to pay attention to the "clues" hidden throughout. We were told that things like the hatch wall and the meaning of Jack's tatoos were important parts to understanding Lost. As I stated in another post, I was fine with not getting all my questions answered because of the promise the sideways world held. But it wasn't.

I'm still glad I watched the show, as it gave me tons of entertainment. It just seems like now season 6 was not the same show.

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I thought the ending to "The Birds" was awful


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It just seems like now season 6 was not the same show.



That's a very good observation. The show was always presented as "The Mysteries of the Island" and "How do all of these people connect to one another". In the end, none of it really mattered. All of the shocking twists. All of the cliffhangers. Nothing.

I'm not saying that the series wasn't entertaining, but to completely screw the viewers makes me feel as if I would have been better off watching something else. I know it sounds dumb since I enjoyed just about everything up until the last episode, but that's how I role...

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I just rewatched the last 30 minutes or so and I'm going to take back the part that I "kind of hated" the finale comment. When I watched it last night, I was really enjoying the show until the very end and then I was just confused. I've always liked how Lost brought back themes and comments like the "letting go" and Jack and Locke looking down the waterfall, the "now you're like me", etc.

Their being dead didn't really surprise me as it was probably the very first theory anybody had after "Walkabout" in Season 1 or before. I just got confused on how they died. I assumed at first it was the original plane crash but obviously not.

But, rewatching now, I actually enjoyed the ending with the interaction with Locke and Ben and Hurley taking over the island. Those were good scenes. I actually don't think they left as much unexplained as some of you are complaining about. Dharma, the others, they were all antagonists that were important parts of these characters stories and the force behind what brought them all together, helping each other, to get to where they were in the end. The story, in the end, was the characters, not why Dharma was still dropping food.

I don't think it was perfect but I found it pretty satisfying.

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From a Lost blog comes one theory which sorta makes some sense...

The island represents the "Axis Mundi" the Navel of the world (see Joseph Campbell's work for details). The place that creates the reality we live in seperate from the spiritual dimensions of existence. Same idea as the Garden of Eden, which if you read Genesis, you see that there is an angel who guards it. Mother-Jacob-Jack-Hurley-whomever replaced Hurley as the protector are the guardians of Eden to use a Judeo-Christian term. Most if not all cultures have their own version of where mankind started. Life on the island was real. Life in the flash sideways was the awakening into their spiritual selves after death. The way for them to remember their lives in this lifetime. The story is about redemption of the human spirit through love. They all started out alone, and lost from their true selves. It living on the island for them all to realize that in the end, love is all that matters. Perhaps once they walk through the doors of the church and into the white light, they all truly start the journey again and fulfill the prophecy of Desmond to see each other in another life...Brotha!

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:lol: That was good. I would be very pleased if he [Lapidus] were to swim to the surface on the next episode and act as if nothing really happened....


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Krazy Ivan wrote:
:lol: That was good. I would be very pleased if he [Lapidus] were to swim to the surface on the next episode and act as if nothing really happened....


LIAR.



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Wasn't that the second to last episode? I cried a little...

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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:lol: That was good. I would be very pleased if he [Lapidus] were to swim to the surface on the next episode and act as if nothing really happened....


LIAR.



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Wasn't that the second to last episode? I cried a little...


No. That was last night when Richard and Miles were going to blow up the plane and picked up Lapidus, gave him a sip of water, and he was good to go.

I don't think you even watched the finale. :?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't think you even watched the finale. :?


:lol: I watched the last two episodes on DVR last night. It's a little confusing when you're watching 5 hours of the same show...

Lapidus almost salvaged that episode. The guy can't die. That may have been the only good thing the writers did. They took this character who would be an obvious death in any other series, and he just sticks around and brings it! 'The pilot who looks like he stepped out of a Burt Reynolds movie', indeed...

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So you don't think he died at the end? I'm guessing the wreckage at the credits was from their plane.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
So you don't think he died at the end? I'm guessing the wreckage at the credits was from their plane.

I thought that was just the wreckage of the original Oceanic Plane.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
So you don't think he died at the end? I'm guessing the wreckage at the credits was from their plane.


No. Frank's fine. Even if the plane crashed again...


The problem with the way it was written is I really don't care if they made it or not. In the end, it didn't mean anything if they did or not.

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It didn't mean much to us because we saw the end of the story but it meant something to Jack just before he died.

I think the wreckage was a clue to let you possibly know how everybody died. As it is, the people who left on the plane are the only ones whose cause of death was undetermined - except for Hurley but his was a special case.

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It's kind of hard to believe Jeff Fahey (aka Frank) was deemed 'a hunk' back in the 80s:

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I assumed it was farther into the "real" future after everyone had died (eventually). However, it would have had to REALLY far for Hurley to have been there....

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I assumed it was farther into the "real" future after everyone had died (eventually). However, it would have had to REALLY far for Hurley to have been there....


You are 100% correct on both counts. Realize that "time" is no longer a handicapping construct they would be subject to.

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The biggest fallacy of this entire show is that they illustrated in the last 10 minutes that the whole point of watching this show was because you really liked these characters. Locke, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hugo, Sayid, Jin, and Sun. You were supposed to be really connected to these characters.

The problem with that is...for 3 seasons in a row, the characters took a back seat to one of the most convoluted plot entanglements I've ever seen in a TV show...that had absolutely ZERO pay off. The whole thing about that "Lost" blog, using Joseph Campbell...nice try. That's fine as a motif, to use for the island. But like it's been said...all this "series finale" did was finalize...the last season. That's where they decided to tell you the history of the island. Which may have never existed in reality. Or, it did, and the "sideways universe" was "purgatory"--something the writers swore was not the case early on in the show.

Again, to me it exposes how little they knew about what they were going to do all along, and so instead of trying to tie up the loose ends, they slapped together a few episodes that told the history of Jacob and the MIB (who again had nothing to do with the last few moments of the show, nor did they really have anything to do with Jack's revelation). This show had so many red herrings, even in its last season. Why did Claire and Sayid change their attitudes to "come along" with the MIB? How did Sayid come back from the dead? And what significance was it? And Fu Manchu seemed to have little to do with anything, and yet during that whole run, they made it seem like he was integral in the story.

Most of the stuff early on about Locke knowing something no one else did, went nowhere. All everything led to was for Locke to tell Jack to "let go".

But everything that happened in that "sideways" universe had to be set up by going to that island in the first place. This also left all the returns and leavings absolutely meaningless because they all apparently existed in both planes the entire time. This meant that the writers really should have been putting in scenes of a "sideways" universe as early as the first season. But at that time, they didn't know they were going to use that device (again, as a Deus Ex Machina) until later on. Also, the dimension of the "sideways" universe should serve as a mirror since all of the characters live a different kind of lifestyle. They should have had "flashbacks" or something about their island life without coming into contact with each other in the first place. And not all of those people that were "connected" in the sideways universe had anything to do with Flight 815.

The biggest amount of proof I have that this show was thrown together was how many times during the first 3 seasons this show would take 4-6 week hiatuses. No other show has ever done that that I've seen. They made this show up as they went along. "Lost snobs" can lie to themselves and say they were taken on this magical journey but if they want to believe that, then again--give the writers of this show a medal for pulling off a huge con.

So, two things here: One...the way they wrapped up the characters *was* nice. I liked the reunion scene. I really did. It choked me up to see all these guys in the same room one last time. That's what a finale is supposed to do. It takes you back to the place you initially had set up--to me, this show was always supposed to be about the characters. There was so much depth and character development in the first 2 seasons and that's what made it compelling. Now think of that pay off--that was good. That worked.

Take the other 4 seasons, in which they introduced countless gun wielding idiots who didn't have anything to do with anything, and you have this OTHER part of the show that just didn't work at all. There was nothing that really came together for that. Yeah they pieced together contrived things and gave them a point I guess--but no real pay off. The island would be moved, the island would be destroyed--what difference did it make? Everyone that mattered in Jack's life was back in Jack's life in that "sideways universe". And if you say, But that wouldn't have happened unless A or B happened...that's really kind of ridiculous. These planes always existed. It was only a matter of someone telling each other about each other. What did Charles Widmore have to do with that? Or Mr. Ecko? Or Walt, or Michael? Yeah they all needed to be in this one room together...why? Besides a reunion...? Like I said, that answers one part of the equation but not all the other mumbo jumbo that went on.

Or...I'll even put it another way. Maybe it did "answer" it; but it wasn't satisfying at all. Not after all the hours we spent watching this show. It seemed like instead of "leaving things open to interpretation" they really just weren't addressing certain things.

But it doesn't matter now. "Lostpedia" has written that show better than the writers ever could. They had no idea what they were doing, what they were creating, and they threw away a lot of years wasting our time with ancillary characters that lead nowhere. They gouged the characters we DID like of everything we LIKED about them, and turned them into cliches. They were able to put things back together by the finale to get us to like them again because they gave us this "alternate" life idea that would...I suppose, make it all okay.

And this hackneyed approach of using the title "Lost" and turning it around and saying, "No, see? They were LOST...it wasn't about the island after all! They just were lost in their lives! And the island was a metaphor!" Give me a break. No metaphor I've ever seen has had that many plot twists surrounding it. If this were an allegory, it'd have to be considered the most contrived allegory ever created.

Those who say that the finale was a colossal failure have it wrong--the entire show was a failure. It should've been a 2-3 season affair, with a lot less of the black smoke, DHARMA Initiative, and Others...if the entire show was simply about people who wanted to find themselves. You didn't need all of that filler.

But I liked a comment my friend said afterward--that they should create a spin off for some of these unresolved stories and call it "Loster".


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Wow, my entire post was erased.

Anyways, now I don't have time, so I'l respond to WZ's post when I do. To summarize, he doesn't get the flash-sideways...so everything written in response to that is off-base.


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Yeah, I didn't get what Zack was talking about with his ideas on the flash sideways. The flash sideways was not in "our reality", unlike the flashbacks and flashforwards from earlier seasons.

Also, I really, really liked the misleading quote from Juliet in the first episode of the season of "It worked" leading us to believe that the bomb worked and the plane never crashed when she was only talking about getting the candy bar out of the machine.

I'm shocked....shocked I say, that Zack found the finale unsatisying. Zack has been down on the show for years and nothing they could have done at this point would have pulled it all together for him. Sure, they probably could have cut back by a season or two and told the story but, it's network TV, and they are going to milk what they can out of the story.

I was actually surprised that they came up with an ending that gave as much meaning to what they had lived or died through as it did.

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Also, I really, really liked the misleading quote from Juliet in the first episode of the season of "It worked" leading us to believe that the bomb worked and the plane never crashed when she was only talking about getting the candy bar out of the machine.



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Also, I really, really liked the misleading quote from Juliet in the first episode of the season of "It worked" leading us to believe that the bomb worked and the plane never crashed when she was only talking about getting the candy bar out of the machine.



It's shit like this...


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Also, I really, really liked the misleading quote from Juliet in the first episode of the season of "It worked" leading us to believe that the bomb worked and the plane never crashed when she was only talking about getting the candy bar out of the machine.



It's shit like this...


What?



Not you. The "it worked" thing. Why would she be talking about the candy bar form pergotory when she hadn't died yet and therefore wouldn't have gone through the flash sideways stuff?

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She was dying and so she was, ahem, lost between the worlds and saying these things.

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She was dying and so she was, ahem, lost between the worlds and saying these things.



This is making me sad again... :(

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She was dying and so she was, ahem, lost between the worlds and saying these things.



This is making me sad again... :(


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