A source says names have already been discussed. Get him, Kenny!

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball ... 29.article

Here's the problem I have with that. Dunn is the poor man's Thome. The Sox had Thome and he was willing to return for peanuts. Now we're going to replace Thome with the same guy for half a year at a higher salary than Thome would have demanded for a full year (or maybe even two) and give up prospects to get him.

I'm not a Thome FANBOY® and I wasn't sad to see him and his bad back go, but he needed to be resonably replaced. Ozzie preferred a .293 OBP in his spot. Kotsay is fine as the 25th guy on the roster but not as a key guy in a regular lineup. He was effectively cut in the midst of a pennant race by a team you'll eventually have to beat, but he's one of your big boppers? How is that going to work? Now you're going to give up Hudson and who knows what else to get Dunn when Thome was yours for nearly nothing. It's goddamn dumb.

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The only useful thing about Dunn is that he can spell Konerko at first from time to time without fear that his back will go out. Kotsay makes me cringe watching him hit.

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Thome hits HRs and thats it. Dunn is not great in the field, but he can play there-- 1B and OF. Thome doesn't even need to own a glove at this point.

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i would be in favor of acquiring dunn....he is amlmost 10 years younger than thome, konkerko's backup can't be kotsay down the stretch, plus dunn could do some serious daamage at the cell

or you could have signed vlad for $5 mil.

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Dunn has a higher BA than I thought.

And Hatchet, Vlad doesn't give you the left handed power this team needs.

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How can there be a downside to trading for Dunn? Is he gonna make you miss Mark Kotsay? He's going to DH so you won't worry about his defensive skills. He's cut down on his K's and his BA is up, but his walks are down. Legitimate devastating LH power. Worse case he's a rental so you don't have to pay him. Kenny's a win now guy, so if he is willing to give up Jordan Danks or whoever, so be it.

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Konerko would have gotten you back nothing a few weeks ago (or so I was told by Ranger) but Dunn is going to require Hudson?

I entirely agree with your point. It's dumb but you don't compound it by not looking into getting someone who can make a difference in a tight race. If the Twins get Lee, the Tigers find someone to replace Zumaya and the Sox stand pat, I will not be happy.

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As much as the White Sox and General Manager Ken Williams are coveting the Nationals' power hitting first baseman and likely full-time DH, I'm not so sure they have enough in their paper-thin farm system as is to give the Nationals what they want in return. With Mark Teahen under contract and the White Sox probably regretting paying him three years and $14 million this winter, and the Sox still very high on Dayan Viciedo despite the lack of playing time since his call-up, where does Brent Morel fit into the equation? Right now, he's the Sox #1 prospect in their farm system, and the Nats appear to be set for quite sometime with Ryan Zimmerman patroling the hot corner. I don't think the Nats want Morel, and I'm not so sure they would want Viciedo either.

Simon: Gentlemen, I'd like you to meet your captain, Captain Oveur.
Clarence Oveur: Gentlemen, welcome aboard.
Simon: Captain, your navigator, Mr. Unger, and your first officer, Mr. Dunn.
Clarence Oveur: Unger.
Unger: Oveur.
Dunn: Oveur.
Clarence Oveur: Dunn. Gentlemen, let's get to work.
Simon: Unger, didn't you serve under Oveur in the Air Force?
Unger: Not directly. Technically, Dunn was under Oveur and I was under Dunn.
Dunn: Yep.
Simon: So, Dunn, you were under Oveur and over Unger.
Unger: Yep.
Clarence Oveur: That's right. Dunn was over Unger and I was over Dunn.
Unger: So, you see, both Dunn and I were under Oveur, even though I was under Dunn.
Clarence Oveur: Dunn was over Unger, and I was over Dunn.

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I'd be surprised if the price tag for Dunn was that high. If they know that Dunn isn't coming back (and I don't know if they know that or not), they'd be better served getting his money off thier books and getting a couple of serviceable arms for when the team plans to compete (assuming 2012 is realistic.)

The Sox didn't give up a world of talent for Peavy (even though Clayton Richard is pitching well) - and that's because the Padres wanted the salary off the books.

The Padres have also had money woes of their own, even though they are a first place team in the National League West.

The Ranger was wrong on that one. Dunn is a type A free agent which means if the Nats hang onto to him for the entire season (and offer arbitration) they would receive 2 draft picks. On the flip side they would also have to pay his remaining salary (about $6M). If the Sox pick up all the salary I don't think it would take a top prospect (Hudson, Viciedo) to acquire Dunn but a couple B prospects like John Gilmore, Lucas Harrell, or Brandon Short.

Is Jim Thome reaching Aaron Rowand-status??

Already reached; he has the fire and the passion

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With Strasburg's deal and soon to be Bryce Harper's deal, the Nats will have a lot payroll for a team that is 22nd/30 in attendance.

Mel brings up a valid point. Even though I heard White Sox Radio voice Ed Farmer rave about the Nationals' new ballpark, they haven't exactly drawn a lot of fans since it opened.

"Stoney, this Adam Dunn reminds me a lot of Ted Kluszewski"

Top Hawk nicknames for Dunn?

1) Adam Ant
2) Big Country
3) Adam Bomb
4) Dunnkirk

Any thoughts?

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He's more like Frank Howard. Maybe he can call him the Capital Punisher.

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The SCORE/Sun-Times' Joe Cowley says that other teams are interested in the power-hitting, yet strikeout prone Adam Dunn. He mentioned the name Carlos Quentin this morning with Mac & Spiegs as part of a rumored pact, but added that the Sox might not have enough to pull off the kind of package it may take to get Dunn out of Washington.

From Ken Rosenthal:

"According to a rival club offical, the Nationals were asking the White Sox for either Gordon Beckham or Carlos Quentin in exchange for Adam Dunn."

Hell no and hell no. Another week or two of losing should bring Rizzo's demands back to earth.

Kenny should have said, "You throw in Strasburg and we'll give you both guys"

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[With Strasburg's deal and soon to be Bryce Harper's deal, the Nats will have a lot payroll for a team that is 22nd/30 in attendance.[/quote]
Mel brings up a valid point. Even though I heard White Sox Radio voice Ed Farmer rave about the Nationals' new ballpark, they haven't exactly drawn a lot of fans since it opened.[/quote]

OK guys here are the numbers

payroll
Washington Nationals 22nd overall in MLB $62,349,000 (Dunn= $12 million)
Chicago White Sox 7th overall in MLB payroll $105,530,000

home attendane
Washington Nationals 41 home dates 965,384 attendane 23,545 average 56.2% capacity 19th overall in MLB
Chicago White Sox 41 home dates 1,031,613 attendance 25,161 average 62.0% capacity
21st overall in MLB

all numbes from ESPN.com

so I ask you which team is in a better salary position?

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I have a feeling we end up signing him very soon. Dunn is reportedly perceiving the Nationals to be taking too long and is waivering on signing an extension with them.

Sounds like he is basically saying "sign me or trade me to someone who will".

Signing Dunn to a two year deal would be key.

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I'd rather have a starting pitcher instead. Keep Dunn and his 100+ strikeouts (so far) out of here.

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I'm starting to think the White Sox will seek another starting pitcher, especially if Dan Hudson can't reach 5 innings like what happened Sunday vs. the Royals. He'll get at least 2 starts on the upcoming 10-game road trip, but Hudson needs to throw strikes to stay in the bigs. I also won't be shocked if the Sox stand pat and don't make a deal before the MLB Trade Deadline, especially if other teams continue to ask for 2B Gordon Beckham as part of any South side package.

I'm starting to think Lance Berkman may be a better fit for the Sox. He'll cost a little more money ($8Mish) than Dunn but not as much talent. He's a switch hitter that doesn't strike out a ton and has a very good eye. He's also a great clubhouse guy. Berkman's numbers are down a little this year but he's on a terrible team and putting him in the middle of a lineup with Rios, Pauly and the Carlos Quentin will only help. I'm really starting to warm to the idea of adding Fat Elvis for the stretch run.

Dunn, Berkman...I'll take both of them over Kotsay.

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Berkman was hurt coming into the season and started off very poorly. Over the last 21 days, he's been hitting .310/6/14 with an OPS of 1.176.

And .... per Berkman, he's Big Puma, not Fat Elvis, now!