Like the Orlando series?

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Seem like only yesterday, you were here smiling
Now you gone away, but I know you in a better place
No traces of you, what can I do?
Alone and confused

The opinion changed with his performance in the playoffs, on the court, when he was playing a game.

What happened in the off-season helped confirm some of those thoughts and even brought more insight.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That would be fine if anyone had actually posted that he was horseshit after the Orlando series. But you know that didn't happen. His play in the Orlando series isn't what's sparking the putdowns of LeBron.

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They did

Don't you guys mean the Boston series?

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Okay, show me the posts after the Cavs bowed out of the playoffs but before the free agency period where you guys were saying LeBron was declining.

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I'll apologize if I'm wrong about this. I don't read the NBA threads religiously. But I don't remember anyone saying a whole lot of bad stuff about LeBron beyond something like "Oh, he had a bad game in that series" immediately after the Cavs lost.

HOVA has been the one guy that's been pretty consistent in his view on LeBron. He never made him out to be THE GREATEST. And he isn't calling him A BUM now. He seems to think he's the same really good player he's always been, which is obviously true.

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Yeah, I'm sorry, Boston, not Orlando. But there isn't anyone really slamming LeBron in that thread. There's some surprise that he seemingly disappeared in the game and then joy and dreams of him coming to the Bulls. Certainly nothing like what you're reading now.

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It's there. If you read about 3 pages of it, there is plenty of people talking about it.

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Here's some quotes pulled from that thread: There's plenty more, but I just skimmed.

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http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=46070&p=787939#p787939

Keep in mind I was a huge Lebron defender before that so it was a pretty big switch for me. What happened since then has helped confirm what I started to think then.

I also had a post in the Boers and Bernstein section where I said other things but I can't find it.


I even said this before game 6. I think most agreed with me.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Fair enough, Rick. I understand that you began to view him differently during that Boston game and the things that have happened since have only added to your evolving opinion.

Still, it seems that those posts were made in the heat of what might have been the worst game of the man's career and most of them with an eye toward whether the unexpectedly awful loss would make it more likely he might come to Chicago. I don't think anyone was saying "we don't want that quitter" during free agency.

And like I said, quoting HOVA on this doesn't really count. I think he has been pretty unemotional and clear-eyed regarding LeBron all the way through. He was never as big a fan of him as some other people.

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Would you have preferred us to comment on it a week later? what the hell does that mean, "in the heat of.."
And yes, I think even the quotes DB pulled proves that yes no one was saying we didn't want him on the Bulls but we were still shocked at his play and behavior. Don't think you're trying to pull some WYC shit

You misunderstand. Almost everyone would still take Lebron on the Bulls. I would. I haven't seen many posts saying "Well, we never really wanted him anyways!". I'm sure there were a few.

Also, had he chosen anywhere but Wade's team in Miami, a key piece of the discussion would be different. Miami was the only place where the theory that he's afraid to be "The Man" would have gotten more evidence.

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Here's the WYC. A guy you thought was an all-time great has two bad games and suddenly he's a bum?

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It's not that he had "2 bad games". Jordan had bad games. Kobe did. Everyone does. IT'S THAT HE FUCKING QUIT.

He didn't have a bad game. The guy still came down with a triple double in his final game. The thing that made people mad was the final minutes of the game where Lebron just stopped trying. It wasn't a blowout loss, the game was still winnable, and Lebron was pretty much just standing out beyond the arc, and not calling for the ball, and not really doing anything.

Are you JBills?

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The posts may not say that word for word, but it seems to me many of them are trying to diminish LeBron based on things besides basketball. If someone really thought he was on par with the all-time greats and that opinion changed that radically because of two playoff games, well maybe their opinions on hoops just aren't that great period.

I also don't see it as "Wade's team in Miami". That team cleared cap space and stripped itself down to three players so it could be "LeBron's team".

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Joe: please stop posting in this section, you're embarrassing yourself

+1

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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He said "Fuck this team," for 5 minutes. In part cus his mom was on the Cleveland bench's road beef menu. He's evil JORR. He's got tattoos. He's got millions. He's 25. He's still a top 2 or 3 player. All bad things to have or be (?).

JORR just go look at LBJ's series stats for the Conf. Semis. The guy was still better than anyone else on the floor. It's just that the next best guy on his team was prolly the 9th or 10th best player in the series. Dont listen to the jilted stalker section of this board.

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Don't start that bullshit. I can hold my own with anyone here. And if you want to line a micro-mob up against me, I can answer all day. You want to have a reasonable discussion like I'm having with Boilermaker Rick and Douchebag, that's fine. You want to go into Don Tiny territory with that cliquey bullshit, you can go fuck yourself.

On one hand he's a quitter. On the other he's a guy you want on your team. Make up your fucking mind before you embarrass yourself.

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Don't worry, you've got JBills on your side

Yeah, I'm embarrassing myself but a bunch of hoops fans are calling a guy a quitter and then saying they want him on their team.

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JORR the thing you don't understand is, like Rick said, LBJ choosing a different team would have definitely influenced our opinion of him. Did people want him to come to the Bulls? Hell yeah, we all did. So quit spouting that bullshit. The Bulls had assembled an actual basketball team around him and it would have been his team. His choosing to play second fiddle in going to Miami changes everything. Do I still wish he was on the Bulls? Of course I do but at this point his decision has revealed everything about him professionally and personally

I could care less if he quit for half a quarter. Chris Bosh quit for an entire month. Kobe has mailed in a couple playoff game exits.

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So what's bothering you? His drink of choice? The shape of his birthday cake?

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Quitting on his team in the playoffs put a serious dent in his "all time great" legacy. His best chance to overcome that was to prove everyone that he can win in that situation. He chose to go to a team with a player that has already proven he can be the man on a championship team. This would be like Karl Malone joining the Bulls or Jordan joining the Pistons instead of trying to beat them. He even said in an interview that he wanted to find a place where he wouldn't have to be counted on to win the game. That's not all time great. Legacy diminished by his actions. There have been these criticisms of him for years. Some denied it like me. Some didn't. The choice he made for his career added a lot of evidence to those theories.
The Bulls signed Carlos Boozer, but it's still Rose's team. Wade and Riley made this whole thing happen and Rose is the face of the franchise. Given that Lebron has been so quick to defer to subpar players in the fourth quarter, even though he's proven that he has the talent to dominate, it's likely he'll defer to a player like Wade.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I guess it's OK for me to go out and steal some stuff from a store since other people are out committing murder

You're an idiot JBills

Quitting is on a sliding scale with you....some quitting is OK because others (according to you) have exhibited worse instances of quitting

I wish you'd quit this board