Round and round we go. This thread has turned into a ideological issue. You are either on the bandwagon and think Grossman can be serviceable enough to get us to and through the superbowl.. or you believe that he's too much of a liability and will prevent this particular Bears team from winning it all.

I personally don't believe the defense is going to collapse after this season due to free agency or any other factors. I see it being similar to the defense built in TB, which was and has been good for years now. It may not be as good as it was, but they find parts to plug in. I see that happening here.

Given that I believe the defense is going to be good for years to come, I believe Rex will be fine. Not only this year, but if the coaching staff shows him some faith, for years to come. The Bears could be contenders for 5-7 years if things break the right way with Rex. I can't say that about Griese or any other QB the Bears have had over the past 10-15 years.

of course.. regardless who is playing QB, if the Bears meet the Colts in the SB and can't get pressure on Manning... it wouldn't matter who is playing QB for the Bears.. in my opinion.

well, yeah it's a concern Matt.
but, the Bears coaching staff and players have made it clear that the answer isn't Greise....
so...we get Rex.

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Maybe Lovie is scouring this message board looking for advice. One more vote for or against Rex could make up his mind for good!

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That's cause he's voting Moose into the probowl

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Right. See, I'm a Cubs fan, so my "harbinger of doom" detection is very acute; I remember when the 'Bartman' disaster happened immediately thinking to myself that the Cubs would not only lose the game, but the series. They lost the game, and the next day I didn't bother myself with hoping they'd win the game, because I was absolutely sure they wouldn't. I got that same feeling watching Grossman Sunday; he's very Cub, somehow. He'll be a Prior, where he gives you all the reason in the world to think he'll be a star, and then step on your balls for the rest of his career.


My main concern is Urlacher. The D begins and ends with Urlacher, IMO. He's getting older, and you never know when a major injury will strike. You can't put your eggs in the "next couple of years" basket in this league, because things change way too fast.


Well, I certainly hope this is true, because it looks like the staff is more intent on staying the course than George Bush on meth. I'd like nothing more than for Rex to end up being that franchise QB the Bears are always looking for, but I have nothing other than hope; in my mind there is little reason to believe this will be the case.


Don't worry, the Colts are the NFL equivalent of the Cub, and they will miss the SB again anyways. The Bear need to worry about moving the ball against the Ravens or stopping LT.

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If the coaching staff is steadfast in their approach that Rex is the guy, then the responsibility of making sure he doesn't turn the ball over all over the field falls on them in the playoffs. It could be a costly mistake for Lovie's pocketbook if he is wrong, but will most definately make him one of the highest paid in the league if he is right.

I basically feel the league has figured him out. He's made a living running the playaction for big plays down field. The league has figured out that they can neutralize this by pressuring Rex and taking their chances with the run, and he doesn't seem to have any answer (why can't he hit a Thomas Jones, by the way? He's flat-out missed him on at least 3 occasions that I can remember). I believe he looked really good primarily by surprising bad defenses; in the playoffs he'll have neither the element of surprise, nor the luxury of facing bad defenses. Outside of wishful thinking, which the Cub have destroyed my capacity for, I have no reason to expect Rex to suddenly figure it out in the next 5 weeks. I believe Rex will have a Sunday-like performance first game in the playoffs nearly as strongly as I believed the Cubs would lose game 7 with Wood on the mound.

My hope would be that Griese could at least be a Dilfer; that would be preferable to what I fear Grossman will show.

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Ahh.. yep.. this explains all. I'm a Cub fan too.. Hawk fan too.. so impending doom follows my fandom everywhere I go. I'm trying to stay positive about Rex and I've seen him do some very good things. He's a young guy taking his lumps in the league.

So far I haven't seen him be Prior.. if he's healthy (or even only mildly gimpy), he wants the ball and wants to be on the field.

This is what I know, Rex is a young rookie and is going to and will make mistakes.

What bothers me is, what the fuck are Ron Turner and Wade Wilson doing to help Rex? Are they letting him hang himself, or is he just pig-headed?

Most people thought Rex was bad in the Jets game. I applauded that game because the risks were minimized, the Bears won, and the defense had room to breathe.

I will take this sort of game any day of the week over the "fling-fest" witnessed Sunday night.

And to Doug.....that's how I roll.....

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damnit Bumpkin....

I still don't understand the reason why the offense has abandoned the middle of the field with the passing offense. you'll hear Hosts (when people crab about Turner) counter with, "is Turner throwing the ball?"

o.k. fine.
but Turner is calling the plays. and if Turner calls a 3 WR play on 3rd and 6.....and all the WR's run 15 yard posts or 'Go' routes....
Rex has nothing to work with unless Berrian burns a guy or Moose goes up for a ball.
Where's the TE underneath?
They counter that with a middle screen....and it's not working.
bun the run game has been consistent the past few weeks.

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That's what I was alluding to when I asked about Rex and check-downs. Turner may be calling the plays, but it's Rex who decides if someone is open or not. It just looks to me like he's focusing on his primary and getting rid of the ball quickly, whether or not the primary's open (double, triple covered). The line gives him time (more often than not) to be able to look elsewhere if the primary's covered, but he rarely, if ever does it.

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On those particular plays, he's dealing with a shortened field. The receivers just don't have as much room to spread out, which makes the scanning an easier task.

When he's starting at his own 20, with the whole field in front of him, I'd guess he looks down to maybe his second option, but that's seems about it (granted, not every time, but most). I can't recall him hitting Jones out in the flat, other than designed screens. McKie has caught a few short ones, but those looked designed, not a fourth option.

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