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He had a hell of a breakdown of Williams entire run up the Sox ladder.

Good stuff.

5th time a charm?

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You got that right. But you should know I don't quit easily. Swishers career averages over 5 full seasons are 148.2 games played per season with 26.2 HR's per season and 79.6 RBI per season. Yet RPB wants to give out career stats based on 162 game seasons. The guy doesn't play 162 games per season, so the stats he gives out are WAY off. He proves the line...figures lie and liars fiigure. But I use career AVERAGES, to get factually correct numbers.

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Ozzie is a good manager and would be hired by someone else in about 30 seconds. Players like him. He brings much needed PR to the team. Fans like him, etc.

Kenny has had one of the worst farm systems over the past decade and he has certainly shown some ability to maintain a competitive team despite that fact. In the past couple of years, they've overhauled the scouting and development department so we shall see if that helps. Part of the problem is that the real impact draftees are only in the top 8-10 which the sox never had a chance at, until Beckham. The other part is JR's cheapness as far as international scouting and signing high risk/signability issue guys (think Borchard).

the bottom line is the owner likes the both of them and nothing is going to change in the near term.

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He has no 162 game season to date, so using stats that figure in a 162 game season is senseless. His Career averages over 5 full seasons are 148.2 games with 26.2 HR's and 79.6 RBI. He was above those averages and in fact, had his SECOND HIGHEST HR(29) and RBI (82)total of his career last season. As John Adams said "Facts are stubborn things".

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You know what else John Adams said? Take this hot poker and shove it up elmhurst steve's ass.

True story.

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This isn't a referendum on Swisher's shitty/less shitty year. Get that garbage out of the thread..

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Steve, that's not exactly a groundbreaking difference in numbers anyway. What a dumbass point. Seriously.
Do you have anything to say about the thread topic, since you're here?

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Darkside,
I have something to say. How long did Jerry Krause have before enough was enough. Big difference of course is Kenny has fielded competitive teams since '05.
I would not touch him or Ozzie for 2 more years at least.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

C'mon pasta. Krause had 6 titles. Also, one guy can make more difference on the hardwood than the baseball diamond. Jordan and Pippen were 2 of the best ever. Even if the Sox had 2 of the best players every, there would be 6 other guys and 15 other pitchers.

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How do you define competitive?
I see one playoff appearence in which they won 1 game over those 5 years.
06 3rd place
07 4th place
08 1st place, but 1 playoff win
09 3rd place
10 TBD.

40% competitive years. And don't go with 90 wins are competitive in 06, they finished 3rd, meaning they weren't competitive enough.

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Id fire Kenny before Ozzie.

I think Ozzie is more likely to win with another GM than Vice Versa

I am defending Kenny & Ozzie. Krause AJ (After Jordan) fielded pure shit for how many years before enough was enough? I think Kenny is doing fine.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Who is more responsible for the 05 title, Kenny or Ozzie?

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I think that Ozzie and Kenny are not a good mix. Kenny knows he has a bandbox in U.S. Cellular. It makes sense in that park to have thumpers that can take advantage of the park. Ozzie wants to play small-ball. I like that sytle of play and in a park like Petco (San Diego) it would be a great idea to put together a team of jack-rabbits. Kinda like the Cardinals in the Willie McGee/Ozzie Smith/Vince Coleman era. But at their park, I don't think it's to their advantage.

I had long thought that Kenny Williams was one of the brightest GM's in Baseball. He got teams to pick up HUGE portions of contracts to guys like Orlando Hernandez, Jose Contreras and Jermain Dye and then had those guys play major roles in winning ballclubs. However, in the past couple seasons, he has changed his M.O. . He picked up Peavy and his HUGE contract, with NO cash considerations, in a deal ith the Padres. He assumed the HUGE contract of Alex Rios, again taking on the entire amount owed. These kinds of moves were a surprise to me and I don't think they were smart moves. So in my eyes, his ranking amongst GM's has slipped. I don't see Reinsdorf firing either guy anytime soon. However, I could see ozzie asking to be allowed out of his deal to move to Atlanta and take over for Bobby Cox. Thats if the Braves are interested. I think he would do very well there too.

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Bad blood this year when Ozzie did not want Thome to return but Kenny did.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Try again there, champ. El Duque and Jermaine Dye were signed as free agents before the 2005 season.

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RE: Kenny Williams

Hate to argue in a way that ends up supporting Frank's original point, but:

Can't let this go unanswered...RPB said that Swisher AVERAGED 29 HR's and 88 RBI prior to this season and therefore his totals of 29 HR's and 82 RBI was right there....average.
HOWEVER, he was skewing the numbers, basing his career averages by using averages accumulated over 162 games. This is CRAZY, because Swisher has NEVER played a 162 game season. Therefore, career AVERAGES based upon totals accumulated each season, is a better tool to use when determining averages. Based on ACTUAL stats accumulated over 5 full seasons, Swisher had toals ABOVE his career averages in both HR's and RBI's. The difference in going by his career averages and those calculated by 162 game season averages is the difference between either being at his career average, or actually being 2.8 HR's and 8.4 RBI over his ACTUAL averages. It also allows one to see that he did have his 2nd HIGHEST HR and RBI totals of his career. If they are his 2nd highest, how could they be just average for him. They were not they were higher than normal. In fact, if Frank were smart enough to have investigated this, he would have found that Swisher accumulated these totals (29 HR and 88 RB) Iin just 484 plate appearances (431 official AB's) compared to 672 Plate Appearances that he had in 2006, when he had his career best 35 HR and 95 RBI totals. It could be argued that based upon plate appearnces/official AB's, he was actually MORE productive last season in the at bats he was given.

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dude. STFU about Swisher

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Orlando Hernandez, Jim Thome (his initial deal with the Phillies)...point is, in past seasons, he had teams paying part (often a substancial portion) of contracts he chose to take on. In the past couple years, he has departed from that and instead, taken on big contracts without any cash considerations coming from the team ridding themselves of the contract.

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They keep their jobs for as long as they want them.

Thome, yes the Phillies picked up a good chunk of that.

But what part of "El Duque was signed a free agent before the 2005 season," do you not understand?

Somebody give me a penny to the tread on your brain.

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Yes, it was Contreras not El Duke, who's contract was paid in great part by the Yankees and not the Sox for whom he played.As well as Freddy Garcia and Jim Thome too. The real point is Kenny's departure in philosophy from a thrifty GM who would not take on big contracts and watched guys like Torri Hunter get away, to one that has spent more freely, if not always smartly.

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There should be a diminution in the talent given if a team will not send along money with a player. Unfortuantely KW is still giving away the same amount of talent without the financial relief.

Still, I like KW's approach. I think he holds up very well against the best GMs in the game and he does it differently than most of them.

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Not even DA COATCH was afforded that luxury. There is a level of lack of success that Sox fans will not accept.

Based on this thread, it appears most are happy with slightly above average with the occasional playoff game victory every 5 years or so.

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I think his job is safe as long as he beats the Packers twice.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

You really have to look at how Kenny turned over his roster to get MUCH younger while staying competitive and having a small amount of money committed over the next few years:

Chris Sale (21), Gordon Beckham (23), John Danks (25), Edwin Jackson (26), Brent Lillibridge (26), Carlos Quentin (27), Gavin Floyd (27), Sergio Santos (27), Tony Pena (28), Alexei Ramirez (28), Mark Teahen (28), Alex Rios (29), Bobby Jenks (29).

He also has players in the minors ready to help the major league club in the next couple years like Dayan Viciedo (21) , Jordan Danks (23), Jared Mitchell (21), Brent Morel (23), Tyler Flowers (24) and Lucas Harrell (25).

The arrow for the White Sox is pointing up thanks to Kenny Willaims and his ability to evaluate talent.

Wait a minute....a "small amount of money committed over the next few years"????? Kenny traded a cheaper pitcher in Daniel Hudson, to get Edwin Jackson. Hudson is 4-1 with a 3.52 ERA also. Jackson (7-10 4.67 ERA) makes what....8-9 million??? He traded guys including Clayton Richard, who is 10-5 with a 3.80 ERA for Jake Peavy, (7-6 4.63 ERA) who makes about as much as 1/2 of the entire Padre's payroll. He assumed Rios contract, which was substancial (especially after this year as well. Quentin was great one season before breaking his hand and since then has been a mixed bag. Beckham has been a disappointment this season and may not be the star many predicted him to be. Jenks has been a mix of Great/Awful /Hurt and probably is gone after 2010. Teahan....are you really excited about Mark Teahan?? I think a lot of fans were hoping he could stay on the DL so as not to screw things up, upon his return. The team went on it's good run, when he went down and Viquel took over at 3rd. Viciedo looks like a hitter. I see him taking over at 1st. His production will not likely match Konerko's . At least not right away. But he should be in the team's future. Flowers, Danks and the rest of that group have not proven they are gonna be players at the major league level. Certainly they can't be counted on at this point. Of late, Kenny has just proven he has the ability to trade good young talent for older, much more highly paid talent. Not a good trend.

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