Because I said I was right about Grossman?

_________________
You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

Not that, but the boastfulness that followed.

You'd be surprised, really. We have quite the time discussing what goes on here.

Thanks for catching me making a fool out of myself. I was wondering when someone would point that out. Now I can take that off of my Christmas wishlist and move on to bigger and better things like asking for a Brian Greise jersey. Afterall, I heard that MattInTheCrown was right about that whole Grossman issue, so I'm sure not even the Playstation 3 will compete in overall sales of the ex-Bronco's number.

so any person who posts something unrelated to the post.....(and that never happens here, of course... ) is a troll...
but, if you don't post, you either are or aren't a troll depending on whether or not you intended to post or did not intend to post...or if you accidentaly wandered into a thread unintentionally.....
however, if you do contribute, your post will then be scrutinized by _______ and you may or may not be called troll on a message board.....where trolling is, by nature, part of the process.
whew...

can we talk about the Bears QB situation now?

_________________
@audioidkid

I think you are right. Besides, you've heard this week before...last week. Just add a bit more vitriol to the attitude and there you have it. This week's radio.

And, did we get an answer to the subect of this thread? Who was right? To be honest I got tired of reading once the trolls jumped in.

No offense Matt's Troll, I meant the real trolls. Now, I'm confused.

_________________
You know me like that.

Well, we basically learned a lot from this thread:

-Matt is always right, regardless of common sense or reality, and everyone else is immature and uneducated should they disagree

- Stink and I are trolls, as well as anyone else who posts on the boards

- Rex Grossman's passer rating is the only thing lower than number of times Matt has actually been right, even though he was right about Rex, which is ironic.

- I lowered myself to a point that I didn't think I would go in arguing on the internet, which is retarded (and I would know, since I work similar cases all day)

- We all need something better to talk about

No. Anyone who replies to the thread for no other purpose but to anger someone is trolling.


If you didn't post, you can't be trolling. Trolling is an act; I didn't call anyone a troll. I don't even think Ugueth is a troll, though he certainly did troll this thread.


Uh, yeah (I think ). If you troll, you may be called on it.


Yes! Thank you. Or Benson, or Hester. That was the intent of this thread. I honestly didn't intend it to be interpreted as "ha ha, I was right," and was quite surprised that it was.

_________________
You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

If you don't want to hear vitriol, that's very, very right. They have that shit cranked up in a big way; Christ, they're 10X more opposed to Grossman than I am.

_________________
You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

well, Matt....your first post and thread title angered some people, so....

reading and not posting is an "act" too....

I thought you called Stink a troll....or implied that he was.
_________

Rex should start until the Bears lose....

_________________
@audioidkid

This is hilarious, considering you never even disagreed with my points. I wonder if that occurred to you when you posted this.


I specifically said that neither of you are trolls. I thought it was common knowledge that there was a difference between being a troll, and trolling; my mistake for this assumption. For the record: I do not believe either you or Stink are trolls.


Ho-ho! You made a funny; and it actually makes sense this time! If only Rex could show that kind of improvement.


I believe you even went as far as tough-talking someone on the internet, which is actually far more humiliating. Maybe not, though; it's hard to know what your purpose was for bringing up the fact that message boards are a "faceless medium."


We'll agree here.

_________________
You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

My last thought on this issue…

You can be right about some of the things all of the time.

You can be right about all of the things some of the time.

You can not be right about all of the things all of the time.

Have some humility. We’ve all been right & wrong many, many times in our lives. Just don’t behave like a total clown.

I suppose. I think they were misinterpreted. Apparently the angered parties didn't feel the need to qualify before attacking, which I find disappointing.


So are eating and walking; but neither eating, walking, nor reading and not posting are trolling.


Didn't mean to imply either of the two people I accused of trolling were trolls.


I think they at least need to work Griese in there, because they wont be able to make the switch in the playoffs if he doesn't get some reps.

_________________
You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

Well, whatever. My head hurts.

Anyway, the fact is Lovie doesn't seem to be budging on keeping Rex as starter, which leads me to believe that there is a lot more to this story than any of us know. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Angelo is playing a team politics card over this issue for some reason and continues to pressure Lovie to keep the Beloved under center.

IMHO, and this will go against something I posted last week (for those of us keeping score, *cough*), put Griese in the game. You've made it to the playoffs, PROBABLY going to have homefield throughout, and your defense is only going to be this complete for one more year. Put a guy in now who can win now, ESPECIALLY since Angelo has said he wants a Super Bowl this season.

The defense is going to win this title. We just need another Orton-esque "don't mess up" mentality in the QB to keep the offense on the field.

I say they sit the two down, and tell them that they plan on starting Griese the second half next week. If Grossman steps up, they stay with Grossman and tell Griese that they have to go with the hot hand. If Grossman stinks it up again, they're ready to get Griese some game action.

_________________
You can't see me because of internet.

The landowner effectively owns part shares in millions of part-time slaves called, "taxpayers." -Roy L
A Personal Relationship with Jesus?

I'm not going to read all of this but a 2nd round pick for Hester was still too high.

Are you serious? Not being sarcastic, just making sure.

I think anytime you use a late 2nd round pick on a guy who has had a major impact in 3 (ARI, NYG, MIN), maybe 4 (GB game was already won) wins in his rookie year - that is a pretty good pick. Even if it is just this year, it's pretty good. If he can do this for 3-4 years, then I think it is a great pick.

You may think you could have gotten him later, but if that is what they needed, and the Bears did, I still think it is a good decision.

_________________
You know me like that.

Yes, I am serious. I'd have to take a look but he has also cost the Bears on several occasions. 2nd still is too high for a person without a position.

I agreed with you on draft day. My thought being that you would have to be pretty special for PR to be your position. I was pretty fried that they got a guy so high with no place to put him. But, PR/KR is his position, and he is pretty special.

I'll give you he has made some mistakes. Running backwards 10 yards on the opponents 32 being one that comes to mind. But, overall, he's scored 4 TD from a returner position and that his a huge advantage for a team (especially one that struggles offensively at times). Only Benson has more TDs than Hester and he only touches the ball 3 or 4 times a game.

I'll get off my knees in front of Devin Hester now but the guy has been better than advertised.

_________________
You know me like that.

I also agree with Dolph, but cannot really complain about what we got when we got it. I'm not sure if I see Steve Smith numbers, but certainly Steve Smith ability.

I agree Nas about them putting him on offense and I think that is his future "position". I would be excited to see them get him out "in space" ( - to myself on the "in space" reference).

My thought on the draft position is, even if you think you might be able to get him later, if he is the exact guy for you, you might need to overshoot a little. This comes down to draft philosophy and everybody is a little different.

I know you can take that logic to the n-th degree and say "well, I need a punter so I'll take him #1 overall, then". But, I think to certain degrees, especially later in the draft, you need to make choices for your team and not risk losing a guy that you have highlighted as a necessity. Maybe I'm giving Angelo too much credit here in knowing what he was getting. But I still have no problem with him being taken where he was.

_________________
You know me like that.

i agree. he's produced 4 td's this year and has changed opposing teams game plans because of it. special teams is an important part of the ball game. many draft picks end up not working out entirely. i'll take hester in the 2nd round any day.

I think Hester should play QB. Kruetz could just snap the ball to him and he could run it back for a touchdown everytime, my friends.

_________________
@audioidkid

Devin Hester would not have been available for the Bears third round pick this past April

If you would have posted that a half hour ago Woodridge, I would have had 15 minutes of my life back trying to justify it. Thanks alot.

_________________
You know me like that.

Oops! This thread was too long when I first noticed it and I just happened to see all of these people acting like the Hester pick was too high. Uhh, the guy's going to the Pro Bowl this year and no way in hell he's there in round 3. Case Closed. Sorry Docta!

You may appear correct today as it normally takes players taken in the lower second rounds time to develop. However, I think you will ultimately be incorrect. When other players from the draft start developing at their positions, you will see full time starters at meaningfull positions. I would take a full time starter at almost any position over a few, but admitedly important, touchdowns.

I can see a guy like Maurice Jones Drew developing into a Westbrook type of back (as just one example).

Does this mean I can't start my "Who was right" thread yet?

Damn!

Playing the odds, 2nd round picks (hell, 1st round picks) are a crap shoot. If you can get anybody who helps your football team at any position (P or K excluded), I think you do it and don't look back.

I agree there may be position players that pan out the Bears could have gotten, but there are more that won't and to score a "hit" in round 2 is a solid play.

I understand your point. I guess I'm thinking that PR is a "full time starter" position when you can perform at that level.

_________________
You know me like that.

MattintheCrown just stop and this goes out to both of you

_________________
"Do work, son" -Big Black

_________________
@audioidkid