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I understand,all I'm saying is 20 games of football & practices all season does the human body no favors.

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I understand,all I'm saying is 20 games of football & practices all season does the human body no favors.


Right, but the body needs to be conditioned by taking hits & tackles to be able to make it through 20 games. There is a reason the Bears have lost so many games late in the 4th quarter in recent years. They are poorly conditioned & out of gas.

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Yes, and they suck at it because he's got Briggs and Urlacher who are fast and can run backwards very well and aren't very good at blitzing.

They blitz because people pick the Cover-2 apart when they aren't getting enough pressure from the front 4 and their backs aren't good enough to cover for as long as they need to when Tommie Harris is getting pancaked and Mark Anderson is getting his spin move stuffed on a regular basis.


I dunno, I'd like to see the stats on this but it seemed like the blitzes were better designed and more effective under Rivera. They had similar personnel then. Additionally, I find Lovie's blitz packages very predictable; this has nothing to do with the players on the field.

I think they were more effective because they were rarer, and because the front four was better at generating pressure on its own. If you need six to block four, that fifth rusher is going to be more effective.

Defense in football is pretty simple. The more players you need to get pressure, the less effective the defense will be. The cover two worked so well in 2005 and 2006 because the front four generated good (but not great) pressure, and you had an all-pro MLB. The corners were also effective at playing the rush, which helps. Once that pressure dissipated, the defense needed to play more "aggresive," and the personnel didn't match that. Plus, aggressiveness is fine, until you get burned repeatedly, then it is really bad. Of course, no one will ever blame the aggressiveness, and the call will probably be for more aggressiveness, not less.

The only D-lineman that regularly commanded double teams last year was Tommy Harris. If Julius Peppers and Tommy Harris require double teams this year, that means six will be needed to block four again, or one of those two will go against a single blocker. That's the plan. Let's see if it works.



Sure, the defensive line play was better in 2006, and that made the blitzes more effective as well. But I also think they were less predictable. And Rivera was much better at disguising the blitz compared to Lovie. This shouldn't be a newsflash given their respective pedigrees.

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So what have we learned about the Bears Defense after two preseason games?

A few random thoughts:

To my eyes, Tommie Harris hasn't been very impressive. He lacks explosiveness off the snap and looks like "just another guy" on the field. Anthony Adams has been the team's best defensive tackle recently, and it appears things will be no different in the coming season. That ain't good.

Zach Bowman can't be that bad, can he? He looks like he'll need a compass and map to find the receivers he's supposed to be covering. Peanut is still the team's best cornerback.

The overall level of physical play displayed thus far has been very disappointing. Compared to other teams I've watched this preseason--Jets, Giants, Vikings, 49ers, Patriots, Packers--the Bears look soft. And I don't believe they're going to close the "physicality" gap when the regular season arrives. The Bears need Major Wright in the starting lineup. He's one of the few thumpers they have.

The coaching staff still has no idea how to design effective blitzing schemes.

While I'm sure the team will improve over the next month, other teams will, too. The defense is aging, weak and (in many respects) poorly coached. They're going to make this another long year for Bears fans. Julius Peppers will have a positive impact, but he can't be expected to carry a unit with so many glaring weaknesses (defensive tackle, cornerback, safety).


Are we really going to judge their defense based on what they've done in the preseason? You're a smarter football guy than that.

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So what have we learned about the Bears Defense after two preseason games?

A few random thoughts:

To my eyes, Tommie Harris hasn't been very impressive. He lacks explosiveness off the snap and looks like "just another guy" on the field. Anthony Adams has been the team's best defensive tackle recently, and it appears things will be no different in the coming season. That ain't good.

Zach Bowman can't be that bad, can he? He looks like he'll need a compass and map to find the receivers he's supposed to be covering. Peanut is still the team's best cornerback.

The overall level of physical play displayed thus far has been very disappointing. Compared to other teams I've watched this preseason--Jets, Giants, Vikings, 49ers, Patriots, Packers--the Bears look soft. And I don't believe they're going to close the "physicality" gap when the regular season arrives. The Bears need Major Wright in the starting lineup. He's one of the few thumpers they have.

The coaching staff still has no idea how to design effective blitzing schemes.

While I'm sure the team will improve over the next month, other teams will, too. The defense is aging, weak and (in many respects) poorly coached. They're going to make this another long year for Bears fans. Julius Peppers will have a positive impact, but he can't be expected to carry a unit with so many glaring weaknesses (defensive tackle, cornerback, safety).


Are we really going to judge their defense based on what they've done in the preseason? You're a smarter football guy than that.


A Smart football guy can recognize bad players and bad coaching when they see it. The Bears have Cutler, Peppers and a pile of crap. Take a look at the Bears schedule and give us your prediction Hova.


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So what have we learned about the Bears Defense after two preseason games?

A few random thoughts:

To my eyes, Tommie Harris hasn't been very impressive. He lacks explosiveness off the snap and looks like "just another guy" on the field. Anthony Adams has been the team's best defensive tackle recently, and it appears things will be no different in the coming season. That ain't good.

Zach Bowman can't be that bad, can he? He looks like he'll need a compass and map to find the receivers he's supposed to be covering. Peanut is still the team's best cornerback.

The overall level of physical play displayed thus far has been very disappointing. Compared to other teams I've watched this preseason--Jets, Giants, Vikings, 49ers, Patriots, Packers--the Bears look soft. And I don't believe they're going to close the "physicality" gap when the regular season arrives. The Bears need Major Wright in the starting lineup. He's one of the few thumpers they have.

The coaching staff still has no idea how to design effective blitzing schemes.

While I'm sure the team will improve over the next month, other teams will, too. The defense is aging, weak and (in many respects) poorly coached. They're going to make this another long year for Bears fans. Julius Peppers will have a positive impact, but he can't be expected to carry a unit with so many glaring weaknesses (defensive tackle, cornerback, safety).


Are we really going to judge their defense based on what they've done in the preseason? You're a smarter football guy than that.


Well, they weren't good last year either.

I do think Bowman will be better during the regular season, but I am very concerned about Mark Anderson and Tommie Harris.

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So what have we learned about the Bears Defense after two preseason games?

A few random thoughts:

To my eyes, Tommie Harris hasn't been very impressive. He lacks explosiveness off the snap and looks like "just another guy" on the field. Anthony Adams has been the team's best defensive tackle recently, and it appears things will be no different in the coming season. That ain't good.

Zach Bowman can't be that bad, can he? He looks like he'll need a compass and map to find the receivers he's supposed to be covering. Peanut is still the team's best cornerback.

The overall level of physical play displayed thus far has been very disappointing. Compared to other teams I've watched this preseason--Jets, Giants, Vikings, 49ers, Patriots, Packers--the Bears look soft. And I don't believe they're going to close the "physicality" gap when the regular season arrives. The Bears need Major Wright in the starting lineup. He's one of the few thumpers they have.

The coaching staff still has no idea how to design effective blitzing schemes.

While I'm sure the team will improve over the next month, other teams will, too. The defense is aging, weak and (in many respects) poorly coached. They're going to make this another long year for Bears fans. Julius Peppers will have a positive impact, but he can't be expected to carry a unit with so many glaring weaknesses (defensive tackle, cornerback, safety).


Are we really going to judge their defense based on what they've done in the preseason? You're a smarter football guy than that.


In 2006 Urlacher, Briggs, Harris, Mike Brown, and Vasher were all difference-makers on defense. Who will be our difference-makers this year? Peppers, Briggs, anyone else?

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So what have we learned about the Bears Defense after two preseason games?

A few random thoughts:

To my eyes, Tommie Harris hasn't been very impressive. He lacks explosiveness off the snap and looks like "just another guy" on the field. Anthony Adams has been the team's best defensive tackle recently, and it appears things will be no different in the coming season. That ain't good.

Zach Bowman can't be that bad, can he? He looks like he'll need a compass and map to find the receivers he's supposed to be covering. Peanut is still the team's best cornerback.

The overall level of physical play displayed thus far has been very disappointing. Compared to other teams I've watched this preseason--Jets, Giants, Vikings, 49ers, Patriots, Packers--the Bears look soft. And I don't believe they're going to close the "physicality" gap when the regular season arrives. The Bears need Major Wright in the starting lineup. He's one of the few thumpers they have.

The coaching staff still has no idea how to design effective blitzing schemes.

While I'm sure the team will improve over the next month, other teams will, too. The defense is aging, weak and (in many respects) poorly coached. They're going to make this another long year for Bears fans. Julius Peppers will have a positive impact, but he can't be expected to carry a unit with so many glaring weaknesses (defensive tackle, cornerback, safety).


Are we really going to judge their defense based on what they've done in the preseason? You're a smarter football guy than that.


A Smart football guy can recognize bad players and bad coaching when they see it. The Bears have Cutler, Peppers and a pile of crap. Take a look at the Bears schedule and give us your prediction Hova.


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So what have we learned about the Bears Defense after two preseason games?

A few random thoughts:

To my eyes, Tommie Harris hasn't been very impressive. He lacks explosiveness off the snap and looks like "just another guy" on the field. Anthony Adams has been the team's best defensive tackle recently, and it appears things will be no different in the coming season. That ain't good.

Zach Bowman can't be that bad, can he? He looks like he'll need a compass and map to find the receivers he's supposed to be covering. Peanut is still the team's best cornerback.

The overall level of physical play displayed thus far has been very disappointing. Compared to other teams I've watched this preseason--Jets, Giants, Vikings, 49ers, Patriots, Packers--the Bears look soft. And I don't believe they're going to close the "physicality" gap when the regular season arrives. The Bears need Major Wright in the starting lineup. He's one of the few thumpers they have.

The coaching staff still has no idea how to design effective blitzing schemes.

While I'm sure the team will improve over the next month, other teams will, too. The defense is aging, weak and (in many respects) poorly coached. They're going to make this another long year for Bears fans. Julius Peppers will have a positive impact, but he can't be expected to carry a unit with so many glaring weaknesses (defensive tackle, cornerback, safety).


Are we really going to judge their defense based on what they've done in the preseason? You're a smarter football guy than that.


In 2006 Urlacher, Briggs, Harris, Mike Brown, and Vasher were all difference-makers on defense. Who will be our difference-makers this year? Peppers, Briggs, anyone else?


Urlacher
Chris Harris
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Dead serious. I would be willing to debate any of my picks too.

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Dead serious. I would be willing to debate any of my picks too.

Ok, is that pick em league still going on despite Bigfan's lack of sanction? Cause I like my chances better now, somehow.

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Urlacher
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Nas + Zach Zaidman = Match!

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Dead serious. I would be willing to debate any of my picks too.

Ok, is that pick em league still going on despite Bigfan's lack of sanction? Cause I like my chances better now, somehow.


I'm usually a homer and I still do fine in that league every year. It is still available. If you haven't sign up PM me with an email address.

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Are you saying Mark Anderson is going to be a difference-maker for the Bears or their opponents?

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Urlacher
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Mark Anderson
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Nas + Zach Zaidman = Match!


I believe Urlacher will be fresh after having the year off and will likely have a pro bowl season. I've seen Tommie Harris show flashes during the preseason. He's appears to have gained a step. He should also benefit from having single coverage. Mark Anderson will benefit from most of the attention going to Peppers. IMO he has the quickest first step of any of the D-linemen. Put the ball anywhere around Tillman and he will usually come up with it. With increase pressure from the front 4 I expect him to have more than 5 interceptions and we all know he will force several fumbles this year.

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Are you saying Mark Anderson is going to be a difference-maker for the Bears or their opponents?

:lol:

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I'm usually a homer and I still do fine in that league every year. It is still available. If you haven't sign up PM me with an email address.

I was first in, quite naturally.

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quote="Terry's Guy"]A Smart football guy can recognize bad players and bad coaching when they see it. The Bears have Cutler, Peppers and a pile of crap. Take a look at the Bears schedule and give us your prediction Hova.[/quote]

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Oh Brother. 12-4 ? Really? I'll tell you what...I'll take 6-10 & whoever is closer wins. You name the amount.

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I get to pick your avatar for a month or you get to pick mine.


The problem with that is that you will use a MULT to post for that Month. But I like my chances.
Actually, lets pick the Avatars now: You take Ronnie & I'll take Barry. Deal?
Lets put a C-note on it too just to make it interesting. Or more if you want. You name the amount. You in?
To be clear, you need to win at least 10 games to win & I can't win more than 8. 9 is a push.

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You claim everyone will use a mult

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Got to love how you made up new terms to this bet :lol:

You claim everyone will use a mult


Not everyone...just Hova.

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I don't mult. My balls and my word is all I have. I'm fine with the avatars you suggested. I get to pick yours if I win and you get to pick mine. I won't bet any money with you because honestly I wouldn't trust you to pay me. I have a couple monetary wagers with a few posters already.

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I don't mult. My balls and my word is all I have. I'm fine with the avatars you suggested. I get to pick yours if I win and you get to pick mine. I won't bet any money with you because honestly I wouldn't trust you to pay me. I have a couple monetary wagers with a few posters already.


You have no reason not to trust me. I would trust you, but that's fine. I wipe my ass with hundreds.

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The next time you do let me know and I'll stop by and throw they away for you. I wipe my ass with Scottissue because it's a little softer than Benjamin's.

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Dead serious. I would be willing to debate any of my picks too.

:lol: Get outta town.


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The next time you do let me know and I'll stop by and throw they away for you. I wipe my ass with Scottissue because it's a little softer than Benjamin's.


:lol: :lol:

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Dead serious. I would be willing to debate any of my picks too.

:lol: Get outta town.


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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
In the grand SCEME (not scope, Dumbass) pf things

Awesome.


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