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Wow. Maybe I'm not so up to speed on quarterback fundamentals. I always thought he was referred to as a gifted, natural quarterback.

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he is....when he's not fearing that a large black man is going to press him into the earth.

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This is all Peyton Manning's fault. He was fine until he got thrown in the pool at the pro bowl. He has never recovered.

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He's probably squirms a bit when he sees that Sports Authority (or is it Dicks?) with Ndamakong Suh hunting down QB's....

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Does Sports Authority even have commericals Spmack? It was Dicks.

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My bad...well I know for a fact that the commercial where the high schooler puts on Under Armour equipment and he morphs into Rey Maluaga is a Sports Authority one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJy2a2Fn ... re=related

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I hope this isn't true, but this is so Chicago Bears though I am not surprised.

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were all those INTs due to bad mechanics or bad decisions?

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The bears were in a perfect storm of suck to throw a ton of ints. The receivers suck. The QB was new to them, in a bad scheme with poor pass protection. But no matter how you slice it, 14 RZ int's is bad bad bad.

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Could Denver really have gotten the best of that deal? We need to give it a few more years, but I said it then, we overpaid.

The 2 ints Cutler threw in that pre-season game were tight spirals and right on the numbers of the d-backs.
Looked like perfect throws. Maybe it's all arm strength.

It is possible this particular unnamed scout sucks at his job and/or has an axe to grind.

He's working behind a shitty line and with receivers that surely have to have their new shoes laced for them. Maybe he's not all that great after all, but there is no way you can judge him accurately - good, bad, or indifferent - on this team at this time.

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Spaulding is probably too upset about Purdue's massacre yesterday to respond to this.

Cutler has always held the ball low & had a big wind up...not quite Tim Tebows wind up but a wind up none the less. Too bad the great Pep Hamilton is no longer with the Bears as QB coach to fix this. He is now Harboughs QB coach at Stanford. Maybe Shane Day can help Jay with his mechanics.

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yeah hes no tim tebow. how did that guy even get drafted? tebows windup is horrific... and he also sucks at football... oh well, at least denver has a new cheerleader.

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Couple things:

- He has always had the same throwing motion/bad footwork. Same as last year, same as the year he went to the Pro Bowl.

- The Bears certainly overpaid for Cutler. I think that statement holds up whether you look at it the day of the trade, today or 5 years down the road. It just had to be done if you wanted to get him.

They didn't over pay for him IMO. Getting a young franchise QB and Knox for what they gave up was great. We can now see the draft picks too. None of them are or likely will be good enough that you wouldn't trade them for Cutler. The mistake the Bears made was that they didn't think Orton was good enough to start (like many of us) even if he had good receivers around him. He's proven that isn't the case. There were no good/great receivers available last off season but Boldin and he misses about 4 games a year because of injury. With everything I know now I would still make the deal.

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I'm trying to stay out of the whole Cutler bashing stuff I've been known for, but this isn't really a good way to judge things. Denver had different needs and the Bears would have made different picks. For instance, the obvious choice if the Bears had the picks instead was Jeremy Maclin. In my opinion, he's definitely a starter and a clear upgrade over whoever ends up on the bench over him. Given that WR was and still is one of the biggest holes on the team that would be a significant improvement. It's harder to say who they would have picked with the other ones though. Draft picks are extremely valuable. That's why it's so rare to have a blockbuster trade involving multiple first round picks.

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They planned on trading that pick though. In fact they wanted to get Boldin (after the trade) but Arizona wouldn't accept a 2nd round pick for him. IMO if they didn't deal for Cutler they would have traded the pick for a WR. While Maclin is better than Knox we may find out this year it's not really by much. There is no question that Cutler is better than Orton. Orton is a great QB for a team that has a great defense (like the Broncos did to start the season) but he really isn't a guy you can count on the light up the scoreboard. When I look at the teams I believe the Bears improved more than the Broncos and will continue to be better in the future. The Broncos got lucky and were able to keep Orton. If that weren't the case the gap would be wider IMO. While draft picks are valuable it was a no brainer to me for a team that hasn't had a franchise type QB in over 20 years. If Cutler stays healthy we shouldn't hear about Sid Luckman too much longer and they should be able to compete in a division that may have the best young QB's in the NFL.

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I have absolutely no reason to believe the Bears would have taken Maclin with that pick.

And wasn't it you that was saying we would have to wait to see who the draft picks turned out to be in order to adequately judge this trade??

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The Bears may win the Super Bowl this year too. However, at the end of the season, both of those will look to be pretty silly.

Maclin, with a lower quality of QB throwing to him, will outperform Knox barring injury.

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They would have been crazy not to.
Maybe I did but I thought I said that we'll have to wait and see what the Bears could have gotten. I mean, I'm pretty sure that linebacker wasn't going to be the pick there which means that it's really not fair to use Robert Ayers to judge the trade.

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Not saying you are wrong. I'm saying the gap may not be as wide as you and I believe it is now. Knox was extremely raw last year.

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I agree, I think he or Oher should have been the pick. But I think either one of two things happens if the Bears had that pick. Either Philly trades up before them to get him knowing the Bears may want him. Or he is there and Angelo decides to go with a Safety from University of Missouri-Rolla that no one had ever heard of.

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I still go back to the fact that last year, after the first two games, Knox only had one game where he could even be considered playing like an average starting WR. He was great for the first two games but I think he ultimately got exposed as many new players do. Until I see otherwise, my opinion is that if Knox is a starting WR for you, then you aren't very good at WR.

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RFDC Angelo said he would have drafted a WR if he kept the pick.

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Are you saying that you're against renaming Soldier Field "Fort Knox"?

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I like Cutler and Knox better than a potential Orton and Maclin.

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Maybe he would have, but I just don't trust that he would have pulled the trigger on it in the first round. It is easy for him to say he would have after the fact.

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Me too, and IMO it is not even close.

Another thing that bugs me about all of this and people saying that we paid to much for Cutler. Can you imagine the outcry from people if Angelo refused the deal and it came out later that Denver would have taken Orton and 2 first round picks? People would be screaming left and right calling Angelo an idiot for passing up that deal.

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