HOVA wrote:
24_Guy wrote:
Hova, which 4 games do you think he lost by himself? The SF game clearly comes to mind, but I wonder which other 3 you are thinking about.
The thing is, you can't just isolate games that you think he lost, and then presume another QB (Orton or whoever) would have still won the other 7 games. I don't think Orton would have won the Pittsburgh or Seattle games, and he probably wouldn't have put up all the points needed to beat Minnesota near the end of the year either. So you have to count the good with the bad.
Also, where you do and others on the board get the stat where Cutler threw some 20 or 22 red zone picks? 5 of his 26 total picks were in the red zone. Too high to be sure, but far less than 20+ which would be insane.
Here's a breakdown of the picks:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago ... -them.htmlI think he lost 5.
Both Packers games
49ers
Falcons
Eagles
Of course you can never accurately predict how another player will do but I really believe a QB like Orton would've protected the ball better. The 20 red zone picks were an exaggeration but I was saying in addition to what he has already thrown.
Yeah I'll give you the Eagles game too, he had a pretty bad game despite throwing just one pick. But in the other three, he had some successes along with the errors.
No doubt Orton would have protected the ball better, but he also wouldn't have thrown 27 TD's. Considering that every other aspect of the team performed below-average, I can't imagine Orton or more than half the QB's in the league winning more than 7 games with that team.
I should have figured you were exaggerating with the 20 RZ picks, but I've seen that stat a number of times and I don't think everyone who has used it realizes it's not accurate.
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
When I dared question the trade, many people told me that the QB is the most important position in all of team sports and that a good QB will make everyone better. When that didn't happen the only player who didn't get blame for it was the QB.
For once I'll have to concede you make a good point regarding Cutler.
Although I will say this, we'll never know what the team would have been without him. Unlike Hova, I think they would have been much worse, and therefore Cutler did make them "better". But I concede I expected him to cover up some of the team's deficiencies rather than blend in with them.
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