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2). Whe the Bears have the ball inside the 5 yard line with a little over 1 minute left, the Pack only had one chance to win: let the Bears score, take your remaining TO and get the ball back with about a minute to play. McCarthy chose to let the Bears run the clock down to 4 seconds and kick a 19 yard FG. Nobody can win from that position.

+1

I really didn't understand why they didn't just get out of the way and let the Bears score. If I was the Bears in that situation, I would have just taken a knee, which would have eliminated the chance of the other team letting you score.


The Beloved did their version of taking a knee, they ran the ball in a short yardage situation.

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I really didn't understand why they didn't just get out of the way and let the Bears score. If I was the Bears in that situation, I would have just taken a knee, which would have eliminated the chance of the other team letting you score.


The Beloved did their version of taking a knee, they ran the ball in a short yardage situation.

Excellent point.

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I can't find the quote, but a caller on the radio said that McCarthy was quoted after the game as saying that they were playing the way they did in the final minute in the hopes that Gould would miss the FG.

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I know Hester scored a touchdown but I was very concerned about how he was unable to beat the punter on the first return that should have been a touchdown. That never would have happened before. He's clearly lost a couple steps.

This should be his last year as any type of a return man. He's at the end of his effectiveness.

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:lol: He returns a kick for a big gain setting up a TD, then takes one to the house for the first time in 30 some games, but now is his last chance, and its almost time to move him off of punt returns.

:lol: Mercy.

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I know Hester scored a touchdown but I was very concerned about how he was unable to beat the punter on the first return that should have been a touchdown. That never would have happened before. He's clearly lost a couple steps.

This should be his last year as any type of a return man. He's at the end of his effectiveness.


Now you're just trying to start an argument.

Math majors, have at the man from the engineering school with some discussion about angles.

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Stop Darksiding me. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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I know Hester scored a touchdown but I was very concerned about how he was unable to beat the punter on the first return that should have been a touchdown. That never would have happened before. He's clearly lost a couple steps.

This should be his last year as any type of a return man. He's at the end of his effectiveness.


Now you're just trying to start an argument.

Math majors, have at the man from the engineering school with some discussion about angles.

Hester ragined his effectiveness on his TD because he succesfully got past the punter at the 5 yard line.

Well, unless of course the punter lost his effectiveness on that one. Which is entirely possible.

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This. He made a number of poor/dumb throws last night. But, he also made a number of plays with his legs, something that Grossman and Orton could not have done.
He also does hold the ball way too long in an attempt to make some plays. When it works it's great but he takes sacks/hits higher than he could or should because of it. I guess it's just his style though but most of the games best QB's have learned to throw it away and live another day.


I still thought Cutler had a pretty good game last night. He made a couple of mistakes and held the ball too long on occasion, but he also made some great plays while facing relentless pressure.

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I still thought Cutler had a pretty good game last night. He made a couple of mistakes and held the ball too long on occasion, but he also made some great plays while facing relentless pressure.


I agree. That pass to Knox where he hits him right in stride in time for Knox to get both feet down was a thing of beauty

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So I guess one return touchdown in "30 some games" is acceptable as long as the return happened the previous day.

I predict his effectiveness as a returner will continue to decline to the point where we will have better options available. In fact, we may already have a player who would be more effective.

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I predict his effectiveness as a returner will continue to decline to the point where we will have better options available.

That's going to be ripped to shreds.

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I can't find the quote, but a caller on the radio said that McCarthy was quoted after the game as saying that they were playing the way they did in the final minute in the hopes that Gould would miss the FG.

:shock:

:lol:


He did say that. I heard it on ESPN I believe. I guess he was playing the percentages - Robbie Gould has made 100% of his kicks under 30 in his career. He was due to miss.

And there was too much "hose" talk last night.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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So I guess one return touchdown in "30 some games" is acceptable as long as the return happened the previous day.

I predict his effectiveness as a returner will continue to decline to the point where we will have better options available.

I'll take that bet.

I predict Hester will have a return TD sometime in the next "30-some games" he is the primary returner in. Shall we say 35?

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So I guess one return touchdown in "30 some games" is acceptable as long as the return happened the previous day.

I predict his effectiveness as a returner will continue to decline to the point where we will have better options available.

I'll take that bet.

I predict Hester will have a return TD sometime in the next "30-some games" he is the primary returner in. Shall we say 35?
What web browser do you use? It seems to have a hard time rendering my posts. I never mentioned a bet. I wouldn't be shocked if he had another return in the next 2+ years of football games.

I think that someone else could probably do better.

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Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you actually believed the crap you posted. You seemed to feel so strongly about it. You use very definitive language.

Carry on.

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So BRick's public enemy #1 has changed from Cutler to Hester now? Is there a Purdue Kick Returner somewhere that he is in love with?

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So BRick's public enemy #1 has changed from Cutler to Hester now? Is there a Purdue Kick Returner somewhere that he is in love with?

The white guy with the arm bands. His name escapes me right now....

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Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you actually believed the crap you posted. You seemed to feel so strongly about it. You use very definitive language.

Carry on.
So wait, I post that I don't find one touchdown in 30 some games acceptable, and you then bet me that Hester will get at least one touchdown in 30 some games? I fully expect that Hester will get a touchdown if he is a return man for 35 more games. That's why I wouldn't bet that. Do you understand now?

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So BRick's public enemy #1 has changed from Cutler to Hester now? Is there a Purdue Kick Returner somewhere that he is in love with?
Hester is not my enemy. I believe I have been consistent that Hester is our best WR. I think he still is. The worst thing I've said about him is that he isn't a true #1.

The reactions I get on here are crazy. I didn't know that the whole "Hester, who went 2 full seasons without a punt return TD, may not be as good as he used to be and will only get worse" was so controversial.

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Packers did not impress me, if the Packers are one of the top teams in the NFC, then the Bears are right there. This probably says more about the NFC than anything else.

The Packers have a great QB and receivers but the rest of the team is nothing special. The o-line is average at best, the running backs with Grant are mediocre. The ESPN guys mentioned that the Packers have only one pass rusher, Matthews, and after watching yesterdays game I agree. The Packers got pressure because of their innovative blitz packages. Their secondary is not as strong as years ago.

The Bears have issues too, their o-line is as soft as Charmin, that blocking tight end from the Rams hasn't impressed and the Bear defensive tackles didn't show up yesterday.


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As far as the Bears pass rush,nobody can sack a QB if he gets rid of it that fast. They were killing the Bears on the quick dump & slants. A blitz up the middle once in awhile would not hurt. The Lovie Bears play defense very similar to the Wanny Bears. Team speed trumps size at every position. Bend but don't break defense.

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I know Hester scored a touchdown but I was very concerned about how he was unable to beat the punter on the first return that should have been a touchdown. That never would have happened before. He's clearly lost a couple steps.

This should be his last year as any type of a return man. He's at the end of his effectiveness.


This would be an appropriate post for parsing and ripping. Unforatunately the board's top parser made the post...unless...would you be willing to take it apart and argue with yourself for a little while?

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So wait, I post that I don't find one touchdown in 30 some games acceptable, and you then bet me that Hester will get at least one touchdown in 30 some games?

You have an amazing (lack of) memory. You also said that you thought Hester's production would continue to decrease from the level it's at now (1 return TD in the last "30 some games"). I think he can do better than that - he can get at least 1 TD in that same time frame.

When people have two differing predictions about the future, often tied to sporting events, one of them can propose a "bet" that their prediction is more likely than the other. Usually, when the other believes strongly in their position, they accept, especuially when no outrageous payment terms have been set. You do not. You just make random statements that others don't believe (and basically neither do you), then you tell us how exasperated you are that not everyone sees the world the way you do.

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So BRick's public enemy #1 has changed from Cutler to Hester now? Is there a Purdue Kick Returner somewhere that he is in love with?
Hester is not my enemy. I believe I have been consistent that Hester is our best WR. I think he still is. The worst thing I've said about him is that he isn't a true #1.

The reactions I get on here are crazy. I didn't know that the whole "Hester, who went 2 full seasons without a punt return TD, may not be as good as he used to be and will only get worse" was so controversial.


Come on BRick, who is the Purdue returner you are in love with? Are you going to do a contest next year around this guys returning ability? 8)

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My point was that Hester had been mediocre to bad for quite a while on punt returns, yet he was still out there returning kicks. Now, he gets 2 big returns in the same game Rick, and you're going to say that its time to move him because he's lost it?

I agree that his speed probably isn't as great as it was in 2006 and 2007, but to say its time to move him now is silly.

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You have an amazing (lack of) memory. You also said that you thought Hester's production would continue to decrease from the level it's at now (1 return TD in the last "30 some games"). I think he can do better than that - he can get at least 1 TD in that same time frame.
I used the word "effectiveness" not "production". That's different. Especially when you are talking about small numbers like one touchdown. It's clear you either misunderstood or don't know the difference between the two terms. The two are related but there is a large variation. He went 2+ years without a touchdown on a punt return and also was relieved of his kick return duties(I wonder why?). He scored a touchdown yesterday. Did he all of a sudden become more effective? No? Did he increase his production? Yes. I hope that shows the concept well enough.
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When people have two differing predictions about the future, often tied to sporting events, one of them can propose a "bet" that their prediction is more likely than the other. Usually, when the other believes strongly in their position, they accept, especuially when no outrageous payment terms have been set. You do not. You just make random statements that others don't believe (and basically neither do you), then you tell us how exasperated you are that not everyone sees the world the way you do.
See above. I would not be surprised if Hester scores another touchdown as a punt returner in the next 2+ years. I believe we have at least one player on the roster who could be more effective and would like to see what he can do. Are you making the case that Devin Hester will not see declining effectiveness as he gets older? It's pretty clear from the statistics that has already happened and there really is no reason to believe that it will reverse.

It's pretty much indisputable that his effectiveness has gone way down. If you want to believe that he's somehow gained it back because of yesterday feel free but that's rare in the NFL especially in a position like kick returner.

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:lol: :lol: That response is hysterical. :lol: :lol: All of it. :lol: :lol:

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