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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:59 pm 
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Caller Mark calling out rongi by calling him the "Houseboy"

first when rongi kept asking what the caller meant. rongi you are a pussy for even asking, because you know exactly what the guy meant by calling you a 'houseboy'

And he called your crap out and you and the Whipping boy tried to team up and make the guy look bad, guess what

it didn't work

Rongi NEW NAME Houseboy Love it

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I will defend Rongi. Meatheads like that caller are just idiots. They are Cub fans that hate when Sox fans say anything against there team. Even if they are valid points. There are Sox fans like this too. I can't beleive that there are adults like this. Is Rongi a Sox apologist? I'll just say he is very carefull with his words. He certainly won't bash them to shreads like a caller might or even a regular Score host. But that is understandable. He does work for the White Sox. But to say he's never been critical of the Sox would be wrong.


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Rongi is a houseboy. He isnt critical of the white sox, he states the obvious and leaves it at that, he wont step up, because he is scared to step on anyones toes. Be honest, as he ever went after the White Sox with the same drive that he has blasted the cubs with? No! My honest opinion is that he is becoming friends with the coaches, players and broadcasters and now he has painted himself into a corner, because if you are part of the white sox family and say anythign critical about them, you will find yourself out in the cold pretty.

Rongi isnt nearly the homer that Mulligan is, but when a team drops to 3rd place after winning it all, the team deserves to catch alot of heat and he just wont do it.

Rongi does good work, he just wont go go over the line when it comes to the white sox. I wonder if the white sox payroll drops this year if he will dance around the issue like he did today?

Just once last year when he was kissing coopers ass, I would have liked him to ask "why are these pitchers so bad this year"? Why can you turn it around, instead he just avoids it and the minute cooper gets pissy about it, Rongi changes the subject, that is what makes him a houseboy.

As a whole, most of the hosts wont cross the line with the White Sox, because when they are trying to say how David Aardsma is such a great steal for them, well thats just stupid. Overall, I am disappointed by most of the hosts, because they let the Sox slide by last year, yes, they won 90 games, but they came in 3rd, their pitching and defense sucked for most of the year and yet all they could talk about was the cubs. To me, that means the boys were under orders to curb the white sox bashing, it obvious to me.

I liked it when I emailed Mulligan and asked him why he wouldnt say anything bad about the white sox when they lost 4 games in a row, he responded "how can I be critical of a team that won the world series last year?" That is when I lost any respect for him, because if that was any other team in Chicago, he would be all over them. Thats being a homer, something the the score said they would never be.

Ask yourself when the Sox failed this year, if you heard anything close to the daily ass kicking the cubs took, if you are being honest, you will say no. I am not a cry baby cub fan, I know they sucked, but when a team falls well short of of their goals like the sox did and a station brags how no one controls what they say, then they should step up and beat up the sox up like they do every other chicago team that fails.

I am not a sox hater, I have plenty of sox fan friends, but the score is a joke when the report of the sox, thats just the way it is.


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Is Ranger a Sox apologist? Not necessarily, but he was far more reserved with his Sox criticism than they deserved him to be. I'm not a Cubs fan, but I can admit that the Cubs took a far worse beating on the Score last season than the Sox did. Considering the expectations that were on the Sox after the WS I think the Sox deserved as much, if not more of a beating than the Cubs got. However that's not just a Rongy problem, it's a reflection of the station because none of the hosts were as hard on the Sox as they could've been.

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FYI wrote:
Caller Mark calling out rongi by calling him the "Houseboy"

first when rongi kept asking what the caller meant. rongi you are a pussy for even asking, because you know exactly what the guy meant by calling you a 'houseboy'

And he called your crap out and you and the Whipping boy tried to team up and make the guy look bad, guess what

it didn't work

Rongi NEW NAME Houseboy Love it



It's right up there with the name Carmen DeFalco was christened with by a caller earlier in the year, "KNEE-PADS" DeFalco.


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FYI wrote:
Caller Mark calling out rongi by calling him the "Houseboy"

first when rongi kept asking what the caller meant. rongi you are a pussy for even asking, because you know exactly what the guy meant by calling you a 'houseboy'

And he called your crap out and you and the Whipping boy tried to team up and make the guy look bad, guess what

it didn't work

Rongi NEW NAME Houseboy Love it



Selective hearing. I love it. Makes it easy to formulate an opinion and then be able to support that opinion. Before I get to that, though, FYI needs to explain how asking the caller what he meant makes me a "pussy"? That doesn't even make sense.

As I expected when I took the job, I sometimes hear the "Rongey is a company man" bit. Goes with the territory. But what I find really interesting is how it always seems a person who makes that accusation can never elaborate as to how my opinion makes me such. It's easy when you don't agree to do the, "uh, uh, well....you're team mouthpiece!!!"...or something along those lines. When I asked that caller for an example of how I was a Sox "houseboy", the response I got was that sometime back in May, I disagreed with people that said this team couldn't make the playoffs. Huh? I must then be just one of about 11 million houseboys, because nobody with a working brain cell would've thought back in May the Sox wouldn't be good enough to get there.

Of course they didn't go, but I don't think most people truly expected that until things really started to go sour late in the season. The point is though, that if St. Louis was good enough to win the whole thing, the Sox were certainly good enough to simply be IN the playoffs.

The bottom line here is that no matter what, any time I hold a favorable opinion of something the Sox do, some people will always think of me what FYI does. It's the easiest thing to fall back on when you don't agree with the postgame host. And those same people that say I don't criticize, apparently weren't listening -- for example -- when I continually said Guillen was doing the wrong thing by using Mackowiak in center as often as he was.

The Freddy deal...well, I understand what the plan is, but I was surprised by the trade. The attempt is to make sure you don't put every bit of hope you have into the current season. I believe the goal is to make sure you stay smart while everyone else overspends themselves into a future hole out of which they cannot climb. I don't know if this trade will work in the long run but I think it's too early to tell if it was a bad one. It's just not a deal I expected and I certainly thought they would get something different in return. And like I said on Saturday, they cannot afford to drop the payroll. They owe that much to the fans.

That's criticism. And I will always be critical, but you'll never find me being irrational. Some people will think I do a nice job, some people will think I don't. Some folks will always love you, some folks will always hate you. That's how it is, and I won't try to please 'em all.

Thanks for listening (...um, writing), and I'll drop back in later. Until then, FYI, try to figure out what that word means and when to use it appropriately. You're better than that.


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Oh, and Rodeo, I absolutely did NOT dance around the payroll issue. Read previous post. I have no idea what show you were listening to, though you may have proven my point about selective hearing. Read previous post.


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You're doing fine Rongi. You're obviously doing something right because they keep tuning in.


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Where'd you host your radio show?


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didn't hear the segment, but I am sure I will hear it on the best of the score year end review show.

I might get the first 10 minutes of White Sox Weak-ly but then I realize what it is and change the station to BASEBALL WEEKLY on Espn 1000. I understand during the season doing a Sox show, but during the offseason it has to be tought to limit conversation to 1 hour of Sox news , especially when there isn't really any ?

#1 in inherited runners allowed to score in the ML among relievers last year...guess who?

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I did hear the call, the guy called you a Houseboy and I knew exactly what he meant, how did you not know what he meant?

You even said in your post that you expected it, so you did know what the caller meant. Thus your reponse of "What do you mean by that " is bullshit, you knew exactly what the guy meant.

If you wanted to debate him as to why he is calling you that or tell him you aren't fine, but the "What do you mean by that " was a PUSSY call on your part.

The guy was a Sox fan to, no doubt about that and at this point I agree with the caller much more than you.

The caller said you should be calling out the Sox for a salary dump and I agree. The pimary motive of that Freddy deal was to reduce the payroll. You can tell me all about planning for the future and everything else, but you are the same guy who gave Kenny and the Sox credit for always going for it and dealing with next year, next year, but now you give him credit for planning?

Excuse me for stealing the bit, but who you crapping Houseboy?

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bigfan wrote:
#1 in inherited runners allowed to score in the ML among relievers last year...guess who?


Andrew Sisco.

What pitcher with over a 6 ERA and 200 innings pitched got a 7 million dollar contract.


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BearBoy wrote:
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I did hear the call, the guy called you a Houseboy and I knew exactly what he meant, how did you not know what he meant?

You even said in your post that you expected it, so you did know what the caller meant. Thus your reponse of "What do you mean by that " is bullshit, you knew exactly what the guy meant.

If you wanted to debate him as to why he is calling you that or tell him you aren't fine, but the "What do you mean by that " was a PUSSY call on your part.

The guy was a Sox fan to, no doubt about that and at this point I agree with the caller much more than you.

The caller said you should be calling out the Sox for a salary dump and I agree. The pimary motive of that Freddy deal was to reduce the payroll. You can tell me all about planning for the future and everything else, but you are the same guy who gave Kenny and the Sox credit for always going for it and dealing with next year, next year, but now you give him credit for planning?

Excuse me for stealing the bit, but who you crapping Houseboy?



I'm not quite sure you really understand what a "salary dump" is. Whether or not what Kenny Williams is doing right now is the right thing to do, I don't know. And I don't think we will know until midseason. That will depend on whether any of these aquisitions turns out to be a decent fifth starter. But what I do know is that this is NOT a salary dump. A salary dump is when a team decides they're paying too much for their current roster and wants to unload some of that salary on somebody else. That's not what is happening here, though I can see why it appears that way.

Again, I don't know if this is the right thing to do as far as 2007 goes, but I know what his intention is and that is to make sure the Sox aren't completely screwed in a couple of years when everyone becomes an unaffordable free agent. I'm hoping he isn't done yet. Afterall, it is only December and some of these aquisitions could be really attractive to another team that needs young arms.

As for you, Bearboy, I appreciate the explanation. Come on, pal. I know what a houseboy is. My point (and again, it's always a good idea to read or listen carefully) was that if you're going to accuse someone fo that, you better come ready with evidence and be prepared to explain precisely why it is you think what you think. And give specifics. Don't just throw that out there without being able to intelligently back it up. The caller did not do that and his one example doesn't hold water.

Again, I knew I'd get these sorts of comments. That's the nature of my job and my relationship to the team. But, it isn't as if I'm alone in my assessments.

Hope everyone is doing well. Have a terrific holiday and be safe!


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Oh, and Rodeo, I absolutely did NOT dance around the payroll issue. Read previous post. I have no idea what show you were listening to, though you may have proven my point about selective hearing. Read previous post.


You did dance around it, you stopped short of being critical and over explained your comments, it almost sounded like you were sorry for even saying what you said. I understand you have to tow the company line Chris, but that isnt what the Score was about not to long ago. My issue isnt with you so much, its the fact that the Score refuses to be fair in reporting the Sox. If the Cubs had won the world series and fell to 3rd place, every host would have lit them up like there was no tomorrow, the White Sox do it and the hosts avoid it and the big shots decide to shove Bears football down out throats 24/7.

I have no problem with the ripping of the Cubs, it was deserved, but when a champion falls to 3rd place, they should be put on the chopping block, instead we get "well, its a tought division". That is just stupid, because a champion doesnt make excuses, I guess thats what the score is for now.

Again Chris, I like your work, I just dont think you will ever truly step up and rip the Sox like you have the Cubs in the past.


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If you are a smart Sox fan you don't need Rongi to tell you what's going on. Give him a break. He wants to stay employed. Let him do his post game show. He'll read us the box score, push slurpies, and play sound bites of the players. That's all I need from him. I can figure out what's going on with the Sox with out the post game show host telling me. Of course he's gonna tow the line.

Rodeo, the Score is more critical of the Sox then you say. People hear what they want to hear I guess. You said the Score was based on speaking their minds. Yes, but they have since gained rights to Sports teams. The regular hosts still speak their minds. But don't expect it from Sox related shows. Come here if you want unbiased thoughts on the Sox.


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the Score is more critical of the Sox then you say.


Mike Mulligan has said numerous times during last season that he would not be critical of the sox since they won the world series last year. That isnt being critical, thats being a homer and its amazing that someone can be a co-host of a show with that attitude.

Freddy Garcia test postive for weed and they ignore it, if it was a cub, they would have made him out to be a drug lord.

Ozzie calls someone a burrito, again, if this was a Cub or any other player from any other team, he would be attacked as homophobic, but because its a sox, its just ozzie being ozzie.

No one will convince me the sox take nearly as much heat as the Cubs do. If the Sox flop next year and the Cubs do well, I bet they ignore the Cubs at all cost. I understand they are the flagship, all I am saying is they shouldnt try and sell the crap of being critical of a team they hold the rights to, because they dont even come close to following through on that claim.

I dont want them to rip them just for the sake of doing it, but when a team fails to repeat and slips to third, dont make excuses, point out facts of the failures.

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the Score is more critical of the Sox then you say.


Mike Mulligan has said numerous times during last season that he would not be critical of the sox since they won the world series last year. That isnt being critical, thats being a homer and its amazing that someone can be a co-host of a show with that attitude.

Freddy Garcia test postive for weed and they ignore it, if it was a cub, they would have made him out to be a drug lord.

Ozzie calls someone a Bunt, again, if this was a Cub or any other player from any other team, he would be attacked as homophobic, but because its a sox, its just ozzie being ozzie.

No one will convince me the sox take nearly as much heat as the Cubs do. If the Sox flop next year and the Cubs do well, I bet they ignore the Cubs at all cost. I understand they are the flagship, all I am saying is they shouldnt try and sell the crap of being critical of a team they hold the rights to, because they dont even come close to following through on that claim.

I dont want them to rip them just for the sake of doing it, but when a team fails to repeat and slips to third, dont make excuses, point out facts of the failures.

Have a great X-mas and great new year.


It sounds as if you aren't going to be happy unless the White Sox are ripped.


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it sounds as if you aren't going to be happy unless the White Sox are ripped.


Only when the deserve it and when they deserved alot more of it last year. Like I said, I am not a Sox hater, I just feel the Score became everything they said they wouldnt be and thats a homer station.

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Granted, I think the McCarthy and Garcia trades needed attention on-air, but you could put most of these baseball shows on ice for a good chunk of the offseason, because you end up with bullshit like the following:

"This is White Sox weekly with your host Chris Rongey. This past week Kenny Williams made absolutely no transactions, all of our players in winter ball had the week off, and we really have nothing of substance to discuss. So for today's show I have Jaymie Bane, pitching coach of the Kannapolis Intimidators, one of our Class A farm clubs. We're going to talk about Alex Farfan, a relief pitcher with the Intimidators, who is shaping up to be one of the Sox' top prospects. Last season Farfan pitched 29 innings over 21 games, had a somewhat-high ERA of 10.86, hit eight batters, gave up 33 walks while striking out ten. After this commercial break, we'll have Jaymie Bane to enlighten us on the Sox' next great reliever."


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There's too much quoting & writing for me to read here; so let me just say that Chris R is one of the good guys. Very nice guy & straight - as far as I know.


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There's too much quoting & writing for me to read here; so let me just say that Chris R is one of the good guys. Very nice guy & straight - as far as I know.



Not that there's anything wrong with that...


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It's a good thing Nostradamus likes you Ranger. He's the mole over there at the Score. Good to have him on your side. LOL.


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Rongi is ok, he just wants to fit in with all the other Sox apologist's at the score.


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A salary dump is when a team decides they're paying too much for their current roster and wants to unload some of that salary on somebody else. That's not what is happening here, though I can see why it appears that way.

Rongi, feel free to explain to me then how Garcia for Floyd and Gonzales is not Primarily motivated by Salary?

I am not telling you that I don't agree with the move, but when he primary motivation for a trade is to redcue the salary, that's a SALARY DUMP.

It dos not mean that you trade a guy for nothing, but when the reason you went looking for a deal was because you decided to reduce the teams Payroll, then it is a Salary dump.

Let me make another point to you. Many many teams are paying big money this year because of increased revenues. I am not arguing that the Sox needed to sign big money guys, but they also got a huge share of that increase in MLB.com money, so with the exception of reduced Freddy Money, where did all that go?

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A salary dump is when a team decides they're paying too much for their current roster and wants to unload some of that salary on somebody else. That's not what is happening here, though I can see why it appears that way.

Rongi, feel free to explain to me then how Garcia for Floyd and Gonzales is not Primarily motivated by Salary?

I am not telling you that I don't agree with the move, but when he primary motivation for a trade is to redcue the salary, that's a SALARY DUMP.

It dos not mean that you trade a guy for nothing, but when the reason you went looking for a deal was because you decided to reduce the teams Payroll, then it is a Salary dump.

Let me make another point to you. Many many teams are paying big money this year because of increased revenues. I am not arguing that the Sox needed to sign big money guys, but they also got a huge share of that increase in MLB.com money, so with the exception of reduced Freddy Money, where did all that go?


I wouldn't call the Garcia trade a salary dump - Williams had been saying, even a year prior, that one starting pitcher would be traded to make room for Brandon McCarthy - he made a trade that he announced a year ago, and I think the biggest problem with the trade is the players they got back.

I agree with you the increased revenue that other team's seem to be using - maybe Williams will use it to sign Buerhle/Dye, but you have to wonder at least some on this - we just drew 2.9 million fans, have a new CBA that seems to be allowing other teams to throw ridiculous amounts of money around, and Williams is trying to go the opposite way by improving his farm system. I think what Williams is doing with the pitching staff is smart, however, I'm bothered that Williams seems to be crying poor with the current MLB landscape. Again, let me reiterate that I can't disagree with Williams on what's he's done so far, I just want to know if we're going to use the revenue we do/should have on signing our own players.


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A salary dump is when a team decides they're paying too much for their current roster and wants to unload some of that salary on somebody else. That's not what is happening here, though I can see why it appears that way.

Rongi, feel free to explain to me then how Garcia for Floyd and Gonzales is not Primarily motivated by Salary?

I am not telling you that I don't agree with the move, but when he primary motivation for a trade is to redcue the salary, that's a SALARY DUMP.

It dos not mean that you trade a guy for nothing, but when the reason you went looking for a deal was because you decided to reduce the teams Payroll, then it is a Salary dump.

Let me make another point to you. Many many teams are paying big money this year because of increased revenues. I am not arguing that the Sox needed to sign big money guys, but they also got a huge share of that increase in MLB.com money, so with the exception of reduced Freddy Money, where did all that go?


Cute. How you misspell the name on purpose. I like it. Rongi, Ronji, Rongee, Ron-G. We could do this forever.

bf, let me be more specific. A team performs a salary dump when they believe they're spending too much for the players they have or when they just simply want to lower the budget. So, either they don't think that one or more of their players is worth their salaries, or they just would rather spend less because they don't think they have it. Or maybe because they just don't feel like it.

Now, that being said, the Sox are not dumping salary. Instead they believe they're staying ahead of the game with the intuition that there will be a good number of teams that will want a do-over for the amount of money they've committed to certain players that may not be worth it. Furthermore, they understand that they will have several free agents to deal with in a couple of years and are aware that unless they're Manchester United, they won't be able to sign 'em all.

And, yes, there is a lot of revenue that's floating around at the moment, but there is no guarantee that money will still be there a few years from now. You can't be certain the economics of the game will still allow most teams to spend like they're owned by Montgomery Brewster. I'm not sure the Giants in 2013 will be thrilled they're giving Barry Zito $20 mil for that season...or even two years from now when they're giving him $18 1/2. Of course, that all depends on the economic strength of the sport at that time. Who knows, $20 million could be a bargain in 2013.

I have no idea if Williams' philosophy will work, but it's too early to call this a disaster. I hope he's right.


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A salary dump is a trade knowingly made for unequal talent with little to no consideration for improvement of the team talent but whose ultimate intent instead is to reduce payroll.


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Guys the White Sox are going to have a pay roll around 100 million this year. Now many of you think it can and should be higher. That's fine. You have the right to feel that way. But by no means is this a "salary dump" year. Please. I'm pretty sure the Sox are going to be top 7 or 8 in pay roll.


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