Dont blame Martz. He's running hus system. QBs get hit in his system. If they dont have the talent to run it, then you:

Get the talent
or
Dont hire Martz

Country,
+1...This team hasn't been the same since John Tait (LT) retired. They have not filled that position since and it has had a domino effect on the rest of the OL.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

But...Martz diverged from his system when the Cowboys blitzed.

So why didn't he do so yesterday?

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RFDC thinks I'm retarded.

I recommend anyone who dislikes Cutler for anything more than his aloof attitude, look up the B&B segment with Dennis McKinnon today. The guy spelled it out in no uncertain terms. Debate over.

Cutler is a stud who has never played on a team with a cohesive o-line, going back to college, and it would be fitting to just assume that he was getting his ass clobbered when he was a kid. The guy put up gaudy numbers on a Denver team with a great WR corps, but no running game and a shit o-line. Drawing up a lost of QB's who have done that, or that would, and you are talking about some of the best.

The guy has everything going against him, and he still puts up decent numbers. His WR's are not even close to being fundamentally sound, let alone acceptable.. And this is an offense that needs all eleven players to excel at their various jobs, on every single play. But yeah, he is shell shocked, and this organization isn't going to make this right. It's pathetic.

As for Sunday, I couldn't watch anymore. I felt horrible for Cutler. I mean, Ive done 2 extended tours in Iraq, and one shorty in Afghanistan, and watching that was making me ill.

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"Mattress technology has come a long way"

- Dan Bernstein, 2016

Neither have Ben Roethlisberger or Aaron Rodgers or a host of other QB's.

Rodgers and Roethlisberger were co-leaders in getting sacked in 2009, 50 times each for the season. Both posted season QB ratings over 100.

Cutler has never posted a season QB rating over 90.

Cutler was the 2nd least sacked QB in 2008 to Kerry Collins, Cutler sacked 11 times vs 8 for Collins on the season. A season in which Roethlisberger was sacked 47 times on the way to leading his team to another Super Bowl ring.

Heck, Matt Cassel led the Patriots to an 11-5 record leading all passers in sacks that year.

Cutler's been in the league 5 years now and hasn't posted a full season QB rating over 90 or led his team to the playoffs or even to a winning record. He is what he is. Cutler's apparently aware that he's not all that great, hence his veto of bringing in Bulger to be his backup.

This could be the worst O-line I've seen... well ever really.

That being said, Cutler has the most inconsistent looking mechanics of an "elite" QB. The scheme isn't helping either.

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I thought the Denver offensive line was regarded as one of the best in the league in 2008. As Hussra says above, Cutler was sacked only 11 times that season. He also had the benefit of throwing to a top receiver in Brandon Marshall, who had over 100 catches and close to 1300 yards in receptions.

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They were a decent pass blocking line, but they got much more praise for that then they deserved. They couldn't run block for shit. No running game. But the real reason for Cutler's low sack numbers, and the O-line praise, was the fact that he was almost never in the pocket. It's the very reason that OB constantly preaches that.

I did F-Football two years, and both years I happened along Cutler in later rounds. I watched a lot of the guy in Denver, and when I think about that, I think of him rolling out.

Yeah, the fact that Cutler has always had to be a play maker and has inconsistent mechanics is a direct result of having learned in a system in college where he took a beating. But this isn't a guy who came to the Bears out of college. He has a history of playing very well in a far less constraining system. The guy cant even fucking audible here...

And the playoff/success argument doesn't hold water. He hasn't played on a complete team. The years he was in Denver they couldn't run, or play anything that remotely looked like defense. No QB is going to ultimately succeed with that.

You dont earn the kind of praise from scouts saying that he should have went much higher, and from Elway saying what he did about him, and not be the business. The guy has simply come to a team with an intoxicating amount of suck, both in the locker room and in the front office. Nobody thinks highly of this franchise for a reason.

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"Mattress technology has come a long way"

- Dan Bernstein, 2016

2008 Broncos were:

28th in rushing attempts for the season

However, they were:

12th in total rushing yds for the season
2nd in rushing yds per carry, 4.8 yds per carry.

2008 Bears averaged 3.9 yds per rushing att
2010 Bears are averaging 4.0 yds per att

Thanks for looking that up Hussra and saving me the effort. So sick and tired of all the Cutler apologists. Yes the offensive line is absolutely fucking horrible and the receivers are certainly not world class by any means. That being said, the examples of Rodgers and Large Ben are spot on as to quarterbacks who somehow made plays despite being besieged every time they dropped back. If this guy is as good as many of the so-called "experts" ( or B and B take your pick ) claim him to be, he would still somehow put up numbers. All he is is a prime fucking example of someone who everyone fell in love with despite having done absolutely nothing. I'll take Ortman and the draft picks back anyday.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

The draft picks are only as good as the person making them. If the Bears didn't trade them, they'd be used on guys who would be out of the league already. Yes, first-rounders out of the league by 2010.

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They were 9th in the NFL in rushing YPG and 3rd in rushing YPA in 2007 and 12th/12th in 2008.

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