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I heard Mike this morning say he has been harping on management to stop with the "all bears all the time." Mike said it is boring, boring, boring. So I don't know if the end of the Bears' season will make that much of a difference on the show. While he said Bears talk is boring, he did not say what he would rather be discussing.


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[quote="hootmon"]I heard Mike this morning say he has been harping on management to stop with the "all bears all the time." Mike said it is boring, boring, boring. So I don't know if the end of the Bears' season will make that much of a difference on the show. While he said Bears talk is boring, he did not say what he would rather be discussing.[/quote

I think he forgets that people don't listen to 4 hours of any show, and when they do listen, they're going to want Bears talk, no matter if the host is sick of talking about the team in a bye week.

I understand that there's only so much to talk about Rex/Tank/Lovie etc, but that's his job. I'd trade places!

I probably won't listen often to his show in February (or when the Bears are done) because I know where this is heading - let's talk about the Bulls for 20 minutes a show, and then what else is there ? Oh yes, what did Mike eat for dinner ? What is he doing this weekend ? etc. etc.


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The reason I cited a Cubs example was simply because they signed one of the worst contracts (Marquis) this offseason.


Ok, but trading a solid bench player like Gload for a hack like Sisco and then KW trying to sell people on good he can be is just as dumb. What have the Whitesox done? Picked up some 2nd tier pitchers, two rookies who the rangers didnt even think enough of to keep, who is havign the worse winter? I say the Sox.

But b4 you get all excited, I still think the Sox are the better team, but their owner and GM are leading you guys down the yellow brick road if you think Aardsma, Floyd, Sisco and two rookies are going to be a key part to winning another WS.

Face it, they cut payroll and to a team that said it isnt about money, well its a joke because even if there players are getting overpaid, shouldnt they being doing more the just picking up other teams rejects?

Also, no one answered my question b4, name one Ranger pitcher that came up through their system that won 20 game, hell even 17 games.


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Also, no one answered my question b4, name one Ranger pitcher that came up through their system that won 20 game, hell even 17 games.


I'll name you three Vann:

1. Kevin Brown 1992 21-11

2. Rick Helling 1998 20-7

3. Bobby Witt 1990 17-10

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I'll name you three Vann:

1. Kevin Brown 1992 21-11

2. Rick Helling 1998 20-7

3. Bobby Witt 1990 17-10


I'll give you Brown, but Helling bascially had one great year and Bobby Witt was not someone to write home about.

For 2 years, all we heard was wait till Brandon gets in the rotation and now that he is gone, all I am hearing is how he isnt that good. blah, blah blah.

I bet that BM wins at least 18 games this year and if I am wrong we all can meet up and pizza and beer is on me.


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There's no flying fuck chance in hell Brandon McCarthy wins 18 games this year playing in a ball park that if you tap the ball it jumps out of the park. It's way worse then the Cell there. And I know he had a few very good starts at the end of the '05 season, but I have no idea why people already want his bust made for the HOF. He may win 12 or 13 at most this year, but not 18.


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But b4 you get all excited, I still think the Sox are the better team, but their owner and GM are leading you guys down the yellow brick road if you think Aardsma, Floyd, Sisco and two rookies are going to be a key part to winning another WS.


The Sox are better than the Cubs because they have by far the smarter front office.

If Nick Massett ~= Howry, the Sox will have saved $5M.
If Sisco ~= Eyre, the Sox will have saved $5M.
If Floyd ~= Marquis the Sox will have saved $7M
If Danks ~= Lilly the Sox will have saved $10M (by '09).

None of those comparisons are a stretch.


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The Sox are better than the Cubs because they have by far the smarter front office.

If Nick Massett ~= Howry, the Sox will have saved $5M.
If Sisco ~= Eyre, the Sox will have saved $5M.
If Floyd ~= Marquis the Sox will have saved $7M
If Danks ~= Lilly the Sox will have saved $10M (by '09).


Yes, the Sox have a smarter front office, but look at those names and being in the sox position, you think they want some seasoned guys like Howry, Eyre and so on instead of saving a few bucks on a bunch guys who guys might not be worth it.

Like I said, I am not a sox hater, I just think some of you sox fans are starting to sound like those cub fans you like to rip so much. If you have faith in Sisco, Floyd and other untested rookies, thats cool, all the power to you.

By the way, whoever called the score today and said Sisco is a Randy Johnson type pitcher, read this...

Assets- A gargantuan southpaw, his low-mid-90s heat and strong curve come up on hitters in a hurry. Baffles left-handed hitters.

Flaws- Has a lot of trouble getting his first pitch in the strike zone. As a reliever, he needs to enter the game with more focus.

Career potential -Strong late reliever, but his future may be in the middle of the rotation.

He might well, but he isnt the the flame thrower everyone thinks he is.


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Yes, the Sox have a smarter front office, but look at those names and being in the sox position, you think they want some seasoned guys like Howry, Eyre and so on instead of saving a few bucks on a bunch guys who guys might not be worth it.


How "seasoned" were Cotts and Jenks in 2005? Eyre and Howry are nice relievers, but they aren't worth the $10M they'll get paid in 2007.

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Like I said, I am not a sox hater, I just think some of you sox fans are starting to sound like those cub fans you like to rip so much. If you have faith in Sisco, Floyd and other untested rookies, thats cool, all the power to you.


Sisco and Floyd don't have to be stars in 2007, I'll be happy if they are contributors. If they aren't the Sox can shuffle two other pitchers into those spots because they aren't financially obligated to either one. OTOH, if for example, Marquis or Lilly struggle they'll continue to pitch every fifth day because they're getting paid big money.


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Marty, I dont want to make this into a Cub vs Sox issue, so all we can do is wait and see. For the record, I think Lilly will be fine and it should be a eciting season on both sides of town.


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RodeoVann wrote:
Also, no one answered my question b4, name one Ranger pitcher that came up through their system that won 20 game, hell even 17 games.


I'll name you three Vann:

1. Kevin Brown 1992 21-11

2. Rick Helling 1998 20-7

3. Bobby Witt 1990 17-10


Does Kenny Rogers count? 17 wins in 1995.


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MartyD wrote:
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The Sox are better than the Cubs because they have by far the smarter front office.

If Nick Massett ~= Howry, the Sox will have saved $5M.
If Sisco ~= Eyre, the Sox will have saved $5M.
If Floyd ~= Marquis the Sox will have saved $7M
If Danks ~= Lilly the Sox will have saved $10M (by '09).

None of those comparisons are a stretch.


Two out of the four are quite a big stretch.


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