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I am hoping that Boise State, TCU, & Utah are the only undefeated teams at the end of the year.
Are you rooting for TCU to be undefeated, because if you are then you aren't a "big Boise State fan" like you have claimed in the past. Boise State needs both those teams to lose.
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The BCS committee would not be happy about this.
Why? Are you of the opinion that everyone involved with the BCS hates these schools?

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They did some BCS games predictions over the Weekend and had a Wisconsin-TCU Rose Bowl, and no Boise State. Sugar Bowl had Alabama-Ohio State. The Rose Bowl, if it loses a conference tie-in champion gets the first non-automatic qualifier.

To me, the team that gets messed in all this is the Arizona-Stanford winner Saturday, I know people like the small schools, but I would rather see a Rose Bowl matchup of Wisconsin-Stanford than Wisconsin vs a non BCS School. Of course we could lose all the non BCS Schools, if Utah wins Saturday, so excited lose to Notre Dame and Boise State loses to Nevada.


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I am hoping that Boise State, TCU, & Utah are the only undefeated teams at the end of the year.
Are you rooting for TCU to be undefeated, because if you are then you aren't a "big Boise State fan" like you have claimed in the past. Boise State needs both those teams to lose.
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The BCS committee would not be happy about this.
Why? Are you of the opinion that everyone involved with the BCS hates these schools?


The last thing the BCS committee wants is for Boise State & either Utah or TCU to finish undefeated while the other top schools all have 1 loss.
The BCS is a fucking joke & it has been nothing but controversial since its inception in 1998. Every college sport has a playoff system with the exception of Division 1 FBS Football.
Imagine the December/January madness of an NCAA D1FBS football bracket!

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The problem with a playoff is nobody has one that would work, if you want the games played in December/January, okay, then where are you playing the games.


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The problem with a playoff is nobody has one that would work, if you want the games played in December/January, okay, then where are you playing the games.

While I agree with the premise of a playoff solves some of the issues with the BCS, football is a much harder sport to pick up a team and logistically getting a team, band, boosters to an offsite location 2,3,4 weeks in a row.


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The problem with a playoff is nobody has one that would work, if you want the games played in December/January, okay, then where are you playing the games.

While I agree with the premise of a playoff solves some of the issues with the BCS, football is a much harder sport to pick up a team and logistically getting a team, band, boosters to an offsite location 2,3,4 weeks in a row.


Add to that, you won't see a lot of fans traveling those extra weeks too, if you feel your team on the road is going to win week 1, no need to go. Everybody talks about how good the NCAA tournament is, but the early round games aren't sell outs. When you get to the sweet 16, that's when people start to show up.


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I think after today, it will be Oregon vs Auburn for the national title, but there is 6 games to go and they will be tough games for both teams. Oregon goes to California who lost their quarterback last week, but Oregon does struggle there, then home with Arizona and Zona wins tonight would be for the Pac 10 title, and at Oregon State in the Civil war.

Auburn has an intresting Georgia team at home next weeek, on to Alabama, and then the SEC title game against Florida or South Carolina.


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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
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The problem with a playoff is nobody has one that would work, if you want the games played in December/January, okay, then where are you playing the games.

While I agree with the premise of a playoff solves some of the issues with the BCS, football is a much harder sport to pick up a team and logistically getting a team, band, boosters to an offsite location 2,3,4 weeks in a row.


Higher seed gets home games. It works for every other level of football from pee-wee leagues to the NFL. Plus it gives something to the people that complain a playoff would diminish the value of the regular season. This way being #1 has value over #16.


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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
reents wrote:
The problem with a playoff is nobody has one that would work, if you want the games played in December/January, okay, then where are you playing the games.

While I agree with the premise of a playoff solves some of the issues with the BCS, football is a much harder sport to pick up a team and logistically getting a team, band, boosters to an offsite location 2,3,4 weeks in a row.


Higher seed gets home games. It works for every other level of football from pee-wee leagues to the NFL. Plus it gives something to the people that complain a playoff would diminish the value of the regular season. This way being #1 has value over #16.


Exactly. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Like you said, it works at every other level.
A NCAA Football tournament would be fucking huge.

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If you have the games at the higher seeded team's place, you lose all the bowl games and that money and some of these places count on that. Fans won't travel to all those games. I am not saying it's wrong, but then you would hear complaints about how a team is seeded and gets to play at home, if you go by this week's standings Ohio State is 9th, they would play their first 2 games on the road, would that be fair to a team with one loss when they could be better than TCU or Boise State.


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If Ohio State is #9, then yes, they would probably have to play 3 road games to make the championship game.

As far as the bowl games and money, doesn't most of that money come from TV and the title sponsors? The TV would still be there and "Tostitos" could sponsor a playoff game. I would think the TV money could even grow. Instead of 5 (or is it 6?) BCS games, there would be 15 playoff games. And if people still want all the bowl games, I'd have no problem with still having them. Play bowl games Mon-Fri and maybe some early Saturday games and keep late afternoon and primetime for the playoffs.


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I would say the money comes from the sponsors and t.v., and if there was ever a playoff, the earliest it could start would be 2015 or 2016, I think that's when ESPN's current contract with the BCS ends.

On the BCS games this year, if TCU does make one and it looks like the Rose Bowl, it will be intresting to see if they play better this year than last year. Last year, from most people, they made it sound like they would pound Boise and lost 17-10.


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If you have the games at the higher seeded team's place, you lose all the bowl games and that money and some of these places count on that. Fans won't travel to all those games. I am not saying it's wrong, but then you would hear complaints about how a team is seeded and gets to play at home, if you go by this week's standings Ohio State is 9th, they would play their first 2 games on the road, would that be fair to a team with one loss when they could be better than TCU or Boise State.


The Bowl game stadiums & sponsors could still host the playoff games.

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Scorehead wrote:
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If you have the games at the higher seeded team's place, you lose all the bowl games and that money and some of these places count on that. Fans won't travel to all those games. I am not saying it's wrong, but then you would hear complaints about how a team is seeded and gets to play at home, if you go by this week's standings Ohio State is 9th, they would play their first 2 games on the road, would that be fair to a team with one loss when they could be better than TCU or Boise State.


The Bowl game stadiums & sponsors could still host the playoff games.


Are fans going to travel to all these games, probably not.


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You know the debate is not usually about 12 or 16 teams, its about 3 or 4. They already back the championship game up to damn near january 8th. Just take the top 4, (use the rotation of bcs sites) have 2 games on new years and then the winners play for it all the next week. Let us look at this year's current poll for example. On new years you will have #1 Oregon vs #4 Boise in say the Orange Bowl followed by #2 Auburn vs #3 TCU in say the Fiesta Bowl. On the following week the two winners play for it all. I would be happy with that.

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Boise State is a problem for the BCS & the rest of the top tier football programs.

They should schedule some of those top tier programs.


Same lame argument, year after year.

Pretty sure they just beat one of those teams, VT, this season.

None of those so-called top tier teams want to schedule them. I seem to recall Nebraska canceling a game they had scheduled with Boise State.

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Same lame argument, year after year.

Pretty sure they just beat one of those teams, VT, this season.

None of those so-called top tier teams want to schedule them. I seem to recall Nebraska canceling a game they had scheduled with Boise State.
The argument last year was that no team would play them in 2011 in the ONE open date they had. They ended up scheduling Mississippi which is at least an average SEC team.

In 2012, they have ONE open date and already have a BCS team scheduled. They were full for a really long time until fellow BCS outsider Utah dropped off the schedule. I can only assume that was because of the move to the Pac 10. On 06/18/2009, Boise State was already full for 2012.

Now go ahead and tell me that Mississippi doesn't count because they aren't "good enough".

The problem is that Boise knows its in its best interest to only play one BCS school(sometimes two) and schedules accordingly.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Same lame argument, year after year.

Pretty sure they just beat one of those teams, VT, this season.

None of those so-called top tier teams want to schedule them. I seem to recall Nebraska canceling a game they had scheduled with Boise State.
The argument last year was that no team would play them in 2011 in the ONE open date they had. They ended up scheduling Mississippi which is at least an average SEC team.

In 2012, they have ONE open date and already have a BCS team scheduled. They were full for a really long time until fellow BCS outsider Utah dropped off the schedule. I can only assume that was because of the move to the Pac 10. On 06/18/2009, Boise State was already full for 2012.

Now go ahead and tell me that Mississippi doesn't count because they aren't "good enough".

The problem is that Boise knows its in its best interest to only play one BCS school(sometimes two) and schedules accordingly.


BCS schools don't even want to play each other in non-conference and you don't hear people complaining about it. Look at Florida's non-conference, its a joke every year.

If Boise scheduled four BCS road games and won them all we'd still be hearing some other lame argument instead.

The BCS gurus have one excuse after another even when they try to make sense of how Alabama got smacked around by Utah or Boise beat an Oklahoma team everyone believed would have played in the title game if they didn't get shafted on a bad on-side kick call by the refs (against Oregon or Oregon St.?) that cost them the game.

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BCS schools don't even want to play each other in non-conference and you don't hear people complaining about it. Look at Florida's non-conference, its a joke every year.
Florida 2010 out of conference schedule:
Miami-OH
South Florida(Big East)
Appalachian State
Florida State(ACC)

Boise State's 2010 out of conference schedule:
Virginia Tech(ACC)
Wyoming
Oregon State(Pac 10)
Toledo

Try again. They are very comparable.

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Just got home & this weeks SI cover story is about an NCAA football playoff system & why it is necessary. I'm looking forward to reading this tonight.

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OK, fess up, which one of you on here wrote this:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/ ... in-mailbag

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Randall McKinney in Halls, Tenn., writes: When TCU, Boise State, or any other non-AQ beats a team that’s EVER WON A NATIONAL TITLE then you let me know. When they take an October trip to a stadium with 80,000 hostile fans to play a team with just a shred of tradition and a few NFL prospects you let me know. ... Yes Utah did beat Bama in Sugar Bowl. A Bama team that even then had the 2008 and SEC title game on their mind. All this TCU-Boise talk is a joke. Boise's season was over in September. That's saying enough right there. And finally, a few years ago the average SEC team played non-conference cream puffs and the national media was all over it. Now you guts praise teams who play nothing but cream puffs. Both TCU and Boise would have losing records in the SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten.


Sounds like one of those bad arguments you all make on here all the time...

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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BCS schools don't even want to play each other in non-conference and you don't hear people complaining about it. Look at Florida's non-conference, its a joke every year.
Florida 2010 out of conference schedule:
Miami-OH
South Florida(Big East)
Appalachian State
Florida State(ACC)

Boise State's 2010 out of conference schedule:
Virginia Tech(ACC)
Wyoming
Oregon State(Pac 10)
Toledo

Try again. They are very comparable.


VT > FSU
OSU > USF
Wyoming = / > App St
Toledo > Miami

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Those are very minor differences, to go from joke to respectable.

Let's try another one!

FSU > Illinois
USF > Iowa State
Miami > Minnesota
Appalachian State > North Dakota

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After today, not much will change, I think Boise can scream a little louder, 3 things for them, How good is Utah, TCU wins by 5 at home, and Virginia Tech may lose 1 more game before their bowl game.

For the playoff fans, look at Virginia Tech's 2 losses, can't stop Boise on a last minute drive and then weren't ready for James Madison, or the Hokies would be undefetead. Nebraska may kick themselves all year for losing to Texas.

For Oregon, today could be the one game where you have to win, when you may not have your best stuff.

It will be Auburn vs South Carolina in the SEC title game, and I would say today Virginia Tech pretty much locked up a spot in the ACC title game.

Something about Cam Newton, if I'm a heisman voter and I think he's the best player, I still vote for him, just like I would have voted for Reggie Bush, to me, taking money doesn't help you play better, allegdely, if it was roids or HGH, then a diffrent story.

I will throughout a little conspiracy theory on the Newton situation too, I wonder if the NCAA doesn't want to suspend him, untill after the regular season is complete, because if they did find out their true in the next week and suspend him for anytime, they probably lose to 'Bama and TCU makes your title game, I wonder if the NCAA doesn't want that to happen, TCU in the title game.

One last point on Auburn, number 90 Farley, Auburn better teach him how to play during the whistle and after the quarterback's thrown the ball, refs will start watching him a little more, especially after almost starting a full out brawl in the Georgia-Auburn game.


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Appalachian State is I-AA. Why is there even a discussion on this? A Division I "power" should not ever be allowed to play a I-AA school. Ever.

And Florida plays SEC conference games, Boise St. - um, does not. So the "strength of schedule" is completely finished at that point.

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Wyoming > I-AA school every single time.

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This could be an intresting kicker, they said last night, that if Auburn loses to Bama and comes back and beat South Carolina in the SEC title game, Auburn could still makes the title game vs Oregon. The Boise State and TCU fans would love that.


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Something to watch this weekend, there is now a thought with everything that happend to TCU last weekend, Boise may pass them and go to the Rose Bowl or more. For Boise State, they play a Fresno State team tonight that does play good against them and Virginia Tech on the road at Miami and what could be Va. Tech's last chance to lose a game.

I just wonder if Boise wins a close game or by less than 20 points and Miami beats Virginia Tech, will they still be saying Boise can pass TCU.


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Well for today, it could be a little intresting about 10'o clock tonight. If Auburn loses to 'Bama and most people have said Bama today, then the Boise crowd gets a little louder, but I think they will have a tough one against Nevada. On Arizona-Oregon, Arizona has lost a couple lately, but still a good team, so an Oregon but pull away late.

On the national title, if it did become Oregon-Boise State, think we would see the Legarrette Blount punch a lot.


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After today, Auburn and Oregon are 1 win away from the national championship game, Boise is gone, and I imagine Wisconsin will get the Rose Bowl pretty much clinched today, and will probably play TCU, wish it was Wisconsin-Stanford.


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