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Tom Crean just landed the big one.

Cody Zeller, ranked as one of the top 20 seniors in the country has picked IU.


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WASHINGTON, Ind. -- Coveted basketball recruit Cody Zeller will play for Indiana University, he said today.

The 6-10 center from Washington, Ind., had narrowed his list of college choices to Butler, Indiana and North Carolina.

"Until about a week ago, I didn’t know it was right. Next year, I’m going to go to IU," Zeller said during the announcement. "The biggest thing was the players and the coaches. They had a good combination of the two."


"I knew it was the right thing for me," Zeller continued. "... It was a tough process, but I enjoyed it. ... I didn't tell hardly anyone."


Zeller's brother Tyler is a junior at North Carolina. The oldest brother, Luke, played at Notre Dame. Both older Zellers were Indianapolis Star Indiana Mr. Basketball winners.


Cody Zeller is ranked as one of the 20 best seniors in the nation and is projected to have an instant impact as a freshman.


He led Washington to the Class 3A state championship this past spring, with a 65-62 overtime victory over Gary Wallace and Michigan State recruit Branden Dawson in the title game.


Zeller's recruitment had been watched for months and took on a life of its own. During his official visit to IU, banners hung from frat-house windows that read, "We want Cody."


When Zeller walked into Assembly Hall for IU's open scrimmage two weeks ago, he received a standing ovation.


Landing Zeller is a major recruiting victory for IU and third-year coach Tom Crean.


Not only had previous IU coaching staffs failed to land one of the older Zellers, North Carolina has a history of coming into Indiana and getting major recruits. Tyler Zeller, Bloomington North's Sean May and Lawrence North's Eric Montross all won national titles at Carolina.


Zeller adds to Crean's string of recruiting victories.


This fall he has landed Hanner Perea, a top-10-ranked, 6-8 junior forward out LaPorte; nationally ranked 7-0 junior center Peter Jurkin; and two of the nation's top freshmen, Tech's Trey Lyles and Fort Wayne's James Blackmon Jr.


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Blog entry by Indy Star columnist

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It’s official. Indiana basketball is back.

Cody Zeller is going to play basketball at Indiana.

I know I wrote a blog on Sunday night saying not to put too much pressure on Zeller, especially if he were to choose Indiana. I still feel that same way.

But there’s no mistaking the impact this one recruit will have on the Indiana basketball program. He was the one recruit Tom Crean had to get. So much of this was about perception. He is the recruit that could have a ripple effect. Now that Zeller is in the fold, it will be interesting to see how quickly others scamper to make sure they don’t miss out on a slot in the IU program.

Yogi Ferrell? Gary Harris? Jeremy Hollowell? They are all players we will be keeping a close eye on in the next days, weeks or months. They are all part of the class of 2012 but they are big names nationally as well as players from the state.

But Zeller was the crown jewel. He’s the pied piper. Having him signed to a letter of intent makes everything else secondary.

And like I said a few days ago. IU fans needs to keep expectations in the realistic category and then we’ll see Tom Crean and his staff are able to do with players like Zeller, Hanner Perea (in 2012) and whatever other players add themselves to those next two classes

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Good get, but the Indiana arrival still looks like it's two years off (freshmen rarely dominate in the Big Ten). Can Indiana stay competitive enough in those two years to satisfy the locals?

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Irish Boy wrote:
Good get, but the Indiana arrival still looks like it's two years off (freshmen rarely dominate in the Big Ten). Can Indiana stay competitive enough in those two years to satisfy the locals?


IMO this is why this signing is so important. They obviously are going to want to see some improvement this season and next, but since they know Zeller and others are coming I think they will be more patient. Now if 2012 arrives and they are not competing at a top level, then that will obviously change and Crean will be on the hot seat. But this signing gives him a much bigger grace period. I think he is doing an outstanding job, especially with the recruiting restrictions he has had to deal with thanks to cheater Sampson.

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I would think that the NIT is a realistic goal last year. They looked to be on the rebound (pun) early last season and just fell apart. Part of that was the Creek injury, but I don't think that explains everything.

He gets a bit of a pass for how strong the Big Ten is this year, but Iowa and Michigan should provide a few wins alone.

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 Post subject: Re: Hoosier Hoops
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I think realistically IU wins 17 games this year, plays really well at times. They will knock a couple of the big dogs in the conference off. A NIT birth and another step in the right direction.

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Besides from Kentucky (obviously), there aren't any automatic losses in the OOC schedule. If you split against Northern Iowa and Boston College, that gives you 10 wins heading into the Big Ten. You get five against Michigan, Iowa, and Penn State; they need to win four of those. Steal one from Northwestern, Minnesota, and maybe Wisconsin or Illinois at home, and that's 17. They should pick up a win in the B10 conference too.

The end of the schedule is brutal though if they want an NIT big. Purdue, @OSU, Wisconsin, @Illinois.

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Yeah the schedule makers were not kind at the end. But you gotta play all those games at some point, so hopefully they will have their 17 wins by that point and can possible steal one at the end.

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While he's a good get, his two other brothers have been just as highly regarded and at best above average players.

Hanner Perea will be a better contributor.

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I like Crean, followed him pretty closely for the 4 years I lived in Milwaukee
and they had that nice run with Wade. Big Ten basketball just seems to be
missing something without a competitive Indiana squad.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
While he's a good get, his two other brothers have been just as highly regarded and at best above average players.

Hanner Perea will be a better contributor.


I don't necessarily disagree with either point you are making. But this is still a statement signing for Crean. It shows he can get one of the top players in the state. One of the biggest criticisms of IU coaches has been the inability to keep homegrown talent in the state.

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I don't necessarily disagree with either point you are making. But this is still a statement signing for Crean. It shows he can get one of the top players in the state. One of the biggest criticisms of IU coaches has been the inability to keep homegrown talent in the state.
I agree that it is a statement and the talent level of Indiana recruits is going to really pay off for him and others. It will be interesting to see what happens when the last few dominoes in this fall and Yogi Ferrell commits.

The next big battle is the class of 2013.

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Yogi Ferrell has been reported as leaning towards IU. With Zeller committed that has to increase the odds of Yogi committing to IU. They are supposed to be pretty close.

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Congrats. Talking about it in the office this morning. First step in rebuilding the program.


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This is big news, I had faith that Crean would turn things around and this seems to be a big step in that direction. I love the fact that they are getting in-state talent again.

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Tom Crean is lucky that he has "help on the way" because he is under performing with a team with actual talent on it. There is no reason to lose to Northern Iowa like that. UNI dominated most of the game but Indiana did make a nice run to tie it up towards the end.

I get the feeling though that this season is going to be considered alright as long as it's not as bad as last year.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:18 am 
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I agree Rick, IU should never lose to a team like Northern Iowa. But it happens in basketball, I mean look at Illinois losing to UIC.

IU is 9 and 3 right now, but should probably be 11-1.

I don't think Crean has any worries this year unless they just completely fall apart.

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I agree Rick, IU should never lose to a team like Northern Iowa. But it happens in basketball, I mean look at Illinois losing to UIC.
I know that upsets happened and teams come out flat or are just bad for a day. It happened to Purdue too. I just think that this team has more talent than it is given credit for. This isn't anything like that 6 win team from a few years ago and yet that seems to still be the measuring stick.

The only thing that can get Crean in trouble is if he loses some of his prized recruits. I don't blame Indiana on that one. Even the worst coach ever could do well with them.

It's going to be interesting next year. I think expectations go way up.

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Rick, who is using the 6 win season as the measuring stick?

I think most knowledgeable fans are way past that season and looking at this season and wanting to see the whole picture and continual progress as the help continues to come to Bloomington.

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Rick, who is using the 6 win season as the measuring stick?
I have seen and heard a lot that going .500 this year(even with a poor non-conference schedule) will be a good season. It seems to me that the thought is we won 6 games, and then 10 games, so 15 games is now an accomplishment.
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I think most knowledgeable fans are way past that season and looking at this season and wanting to see the whole picture and continual progress as the help continues to come to Bloomington.
That's true but I still think that the expectations for this year still take that season into account. With the talent IU has I would think that 18 or 19 wins is a better way to judge the season.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
With the talent IU has I would think that 18 or 19 wins is a better way to judge the season.


I agree, and I think I predicted them to have 17 or 18 wins this year. I think they should be right on the edge of making the tourney this year and if that is where they end up then this year has been a success and starting next year the expectations really ramp up quickly.

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RFDC wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
With the talent IU has I would think that 18 or 19 wins is a better way to judge the season.


I agree, and I think I predicted them to have 17 or 18 wins this year. I think they should be right on the edge of making the tourney this year and if that is where they end up then this year has been a success and starting next year the expectations really ramp up quickly.
I would agree with that. These next two games are huge for them. We really will know where they stand.

They should beat Colorado and Penn State.

It's going to a long season if they don't.

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RFDC wrote:
I agree Rick, IU should never lose to a team like Northern Iowa. But it happens in basketball, I mean look at Illinois losing to UIC.


Not to poke you too much with a stick, but you realize the doormat Iowa beat that team like a rented mule?


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I agree Rick, IU should never lose to a team like Northern Iowa. But it happens in basketball, I mean look at Illinois losing to UIC.


Not to poke you too much with a stick, but you realize the doormat Iowa beat that team like a rented mule?


Again, it happens. Do you think IU or Iowa ends the season in a better position?

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RFDC wrote:
I agree Rick, IU should never lose to a team like Northern Iowa. But it happens in basketball, I mean look at Illinois losing to UIC.


Not to poke you too much with a stick, but you realize the doormat Iowa beat that team like a rented mule?


Again, it happens. Do you think IU or Iowa ends the season in a better position?

Indiana easily.

I think Iowa is getting better - McCaffrey's seems to be getting progress out of guys who looked lost last year and they will sneak up and win a few they shouldn't. They are easily another 2 seasons from being any type of factor.


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My thought about Crean and IU, is I beleive Crean gets IU back, but I wonder if another coach is going to have to come in and get them over the top and back to winning national championships.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
They should beat Colorado and Penn State.

It's going to a long season if they don't.


:x Lose to Colorado. Not liking what I am seeing right now. Better get things straightened up quickly.

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They should beat Colorado and Penn State.

It's going to a long season if they don't.


:x Lose to Colorado. Not liking what I am seeing right now. Better get things straightened up quickly.

Well at least you didn't lose to DePaul... that's like getting your nut-sack shot... it hurt...

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Loss at home to Penn State makes this officially a rebuilding year once again. I don't know how much goodwill Crean is going to get after this year.

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I believe that if you take out his seasons with Dwayne Wade, who is one of those once in a generation "How did he improve so much so quickly?" talents that Tom Crean has won exactly one NCAA tournament game in his career.

Keep in mind that this Indiana team you are watching has a sophomore class that was top ten in the nation and many of the other players got the added benefit of extremely early playing time since IU was so bad.

The other problem is that the true program changing class doesn't come in until 2012.

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