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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:52 am 
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Peeps, out of curiosity what are your thoughts about protesters at the 1968 DNC?

Does this mean you've figured out what the NATO protestors are protesting?

No. I'm just a casual observer of the conversation and I'm looking for Peeps' opinion.

As for yesterday, I still have a questionmark over my head regarding the protest. My girl and I were watching it and talking about it. The whole thing had a huge, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!" vibe to it.

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As for yesterday, I still have a questionmark over my head regarding the protest. My girl and I were watching it and talking about it. The whole thing had a huge, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!" vibe to it.

The thing that was throwing me off was the protestors who were referring to the cops as aggressors. I didn't see it. Was the aggression that the police were trying to keep them in an orderly space?

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Also, why are people wearing surgical masks?


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As for yesterday, I still have a questionmark over my head regarding the protest. My girl and I were watching it and talking about it. The whole thing had a huge, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!" vibe to it.

The thing that was throwing me off was the protestors who were referring to the cops as aggressors. I didn't see it. Was the aggression that the police were trying to keep them in an orderly space?

No, those people were clearly trying to incite something that never really happened. I'm as harsh on cops as anybody on this board, and even I didn't see anything the police did that was excessive.

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Peeps, out of curiosity what are your thoughts about protesters at the 1968 DNC?


The ones that incited violence deserved what happened, but the police over-reacted as well.

I know I'm not being completely rational about these protesters. Just sick of having friends and family affected by it. Maybe after it's done I'll feel differently.

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As for yesterday, I still have a questionmark over my head regarding the protest. My girl and I were watching it and talking about it. The whole thing had a huge, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!" vibe to it.
This was the ultimate failure of the Occupy movement. There was no step 2. Step 1 was bring awareness. Step 2 ended up being turning the "movement" to pretty much anything from wall street reform to veganism.

That is really the problem with basis for this movement. It was based on other movements designed to overthrow the government. There was no way they were going to even attempt to overthrow the government. So instead, it's just random noise with no real purpose and this was done by design.

The sad part is that it has drowned out actual groups that could make a difference. A grass roots effort designed specifically to require Wall Street/bank reform could have done a ton of good. Instead, you have people worried as much about student loan forgiveness as that and it fails.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:15 am 
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I don't personally know anyone being directly affected by it and I'm firmly on the police side of things.

Maybe I'd think differently if I didn't see the "protesters" acting like jam band fans, or wearing masks, or yelling "kill the police."

I just haven't seen any rationality from the protesters in general. Antagonism of the police seems to be their main objective.

If they actually do have a message, they're not conveying it at all.

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Irony: People talking about how they have a right to protest but getting mad when people disagree and reject how they are protesting.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:18 am 
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...Instead, you have people worried as much about student loan forgiveness as that and it fails.

And now for something completely different.

The Student Loan stuff is actually kind of real. But for all of the wrong reasons. There is a predatory aspect to many student loans. Not the standard loans, but to secondary schooling more specifically. The other aspect of the whole concept of "higher learning" is how incredibly expensive it has become. I would be real curious to see someone take a closer look at how tuition, gifted monies, government (state/national) monies are spent today at larger public and private schools and see if it makes sense. Seems maybe the value could be a little out of whack. Of course, it is hard to factor in what a degree from notable schools can give a student, but is that something that a student should be paying for?

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:20 am 
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Cool.

You're fine with these protesters. I'm not.

Good talk.

Im good with peaceful non dumbass protests of any kind
So you think people should be able to protest in the Oval Office?

I think Id file that under dumbass


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:21 am 
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I just don't understand what they're doing or why they're doing it.

I don't want to hear that they're "making their voices heard" either. I have no idea what their voice is. They don't like police?

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I just don't understand what they're doing or why they're doing it.

I don't want to hear that they're "making their voices heard" either. I have no idea what their voice is. They don't like police?

These protests have stood out as having no direction even in the landscape of protests where stuff like that is expected.


The ones by the medal ceremony would have to be deemed Afghanistan war protesters right?


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...Instead, you have people worried as much about student loan forgiveness as that and it fails.

And now for something completely different.

The Student Loan stuff is actually kind of real. But for all of the wrong reasons. There is a predatory aspect to many student loans. Not the standard loans, but to secondary schooling more specifically. The other aspect of the whole concept of "higher learning" is how incredibly expensive it has become. I would be real curious to see someone take a closer look at how tuition, gifted monies, government (state/national) monies are spent today at larger public and private schools and see if it makes sense. Seems maybe the value could be a little out of whack. Of course, it is hard to factor in what a degree from notable schools can give a student, but is that something that a student should be paying for?

Back to my hole.
I agree with you, but I think reform needs to be done going forward. Would you give someone $100k over 5 years if they didn't have a job for anything else? Of course not, but student loans do precisely that. I'd like to see a cap made on them where no person can have over $10k of loan debt added every year outside of a mortgage factoring in income. I don't know the exact way to do it but there has to be a way. The whole loan industry does that stuff all the time.

This would:
1) Lower tuition cost for all as there would be a fight for those dollars
2) Cut down on the number of colleges that have shown up to take advantage of how much money is there
3) Force students to make budget conscious decisions on college.
4) Stop people from going to college that probably shouldn't.
5) Increase eduction "innovation" like the startup companies looking to be more "training" than college.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
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...Instead, you have people worried as much about student loan forgiveness as that and it fails.

And now for something completely different.

The Student Loan stuff is actually kind of real. But for all of the wrong reasons. There is a predatory aspect to many student loans. Not the standard loans, but to secondary schooling more specifically. The other aspect of the whole concept of "higher learning" is how incredibly expensive it has become. I would be real curious to see someone take a closer look at how tuition, gifted monies, government (state/national) monies are spent today at larger public and private schools and see if it makes sense. Seems maybe the value could be a little out of whack. Of course, it is hard to factor in what a degree from notable schools can give a student, but is that something that a student should be paying for?

Back to my hole.
I agree with you, but I think reform needs to be done going forward. Would you give someone $100k over 5 years if they didn't have a job for anything else? Of course not, but student loans do precisely that. I'd like to see a cap made on them where no person can have over $10k of loan debt added every year outside of a mortgage factoring in income. I don't know the exact way to do it but there has to be a way. The whole loan industry does that stuff all the time.

This would:
1) Lower tuition cost for all as there would be a fight for those dollars
2) Cut down on the number of colleges that have shown up to take advantage of how much money is there
3) Force students to make budget conscious decisions on college.
4) Stop people from going to college that probably shouldn't.
5) Increase eduction "innovation" like the startup companies looking to be more "training" than college.

Copied as I like your thoughts. The current discussion regarding loan amnesty is off the mark. I think some measures could be made to assist folks that were given ridiculous loans by unscrupulous lenders and take steps as you have here.

Lastly, should an undergraduate degree cost the average college student $100,000? Forget the loan aspect. Are colleges passing an undue burden on to students? Should they not be able to provide a top notch education at a lesser cost? The discussion for many at this point should be is it truly worth it? For society, I believe additional education is very important, but for most folks that obtain a degree today I am not sure it pays for itself.


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So today they want to shut down boeing...McCarthy said they didn't have the permit to do such and would still allow them to protest/march. If they do something stupid and are doing such to antagonize the cops, it should prove some hi-jinx

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She deserved it.

Fuck the police!

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:52 am 
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Did the Chicago Police slaughter hundreds of protesters yet? Set fire to puppies or smash peoples skulls in because they are 'hot heads' looking to kill and maim and satiate their blood lust?

Are we still waiting on that?


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