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On Thursday's ''Sports & Torts'' at noon hosts Elliott Harris and I interview the remarkable Mary Kay Valenti and former big-league players Gary Peters and Jim Wynn http://www.talkzone.com/shows/155/1660.html
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You are going to need to post some bio's because I have no idea who the hell any of these people are.

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You are going to need to post some bio's because I have no idea who the hell any of these people are.


You really don't know who Gary Peters and Jimmy Wynn are?

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You are going to need to post some bio's because I have no idea who the hell any of these people are.


You really don't know who Gary Peters and Jimmy Wynn are?


No idea. I'm not 60.

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
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You are going to need to post some bio's because I have no idea who the hell any of these people are.


You really don't know who Gary Peters and Jimmy Wynn are?


No idea. I'm not 60.


What does how old one is have to do with being willfully ignorant?

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I have never heard of them. Sorry I am not as educated and smart as you.

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i've said it before and i'll say it again: out of principle, i will never listen to the show because it's called "sports and torts." for some odd reason that stupid-ass name offends my sensibilities so much i will never ever EVER support it.

oh and i don't care about your guests either, but that's not as big of a deal.

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I have never heard of them. Sorry I am not as educated and smart as you.


I don't know whether you are or aren't. Maybe you're not a baseball fan. If you are, I would think you'd be interested. Maybe you should listen to Spada's show. I'm not 110 years old but I know who Red Grange and Hurry Up Yost were.

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oh and i don't care about your guests either


There's probably a good chance he'll have Ron Hunt on one of these days.

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I have never heard of them. Sorry I am not as educated and smart as you.


I don't know whether you are or aren't. Maybe you're not a baseball fan. If you are, I would think you'd be interested. Maybe you should listen to Spada's show. I'm not 110 years old but I know who Red Grange and Hurry Up Yost were.


I have heard of plenty of old baseball players...just not these. I usually recognize a name or 2 from his list of guests, but not this time. When is Hack Wilson on?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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oh and i don't care about your guests either


There's probably a good chance he'll have Ron Hunt on one of these days.

I'd rather tune in for Mike Hunt.

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I have heard of plenty of old baseball players...just not these. I usually recognize a name or 2 from his list of guests, but not this time. When is Hack Wilson on?


I wasn't trying to bust your balls. I was just surprised that you had never heard of the Toy Cannon. And Peters was one of the better lefthanders in the game for a few years.

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I have heard of plenty of old baseball players...just not these. I usually recognize a name or 2 from his list of guests, but not this time. When is Hack Wilson on?


I wasn't trying to bust your balls. I was just surprised that you had never heard of the Toy Cannon. And Peters was one of the better lefthanders in the game for a few years.


I honestly thought they were golfers at first before looking them up.

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On Thursday's ''Sports & Torts'' at noon hosts Elliott Harris and I interview the remarkable Mary Kay Valenti and former big-league players Gary Peters and Jim Wynn http://www.talkzone.com/shows/155/1660.html


LOL! I thought we had a Mary Kay Kleist Almighty sighting when I first read the topic title!!!
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I always wanted Wynn to be a Cub.
He hit tons of warning track fly balls down in the Astrodome.
He would have hit 50 a year at Wrigley.

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After looking both up, they had very average and unmemorable careers.

A 124-103 pitcher and a career .250 BA OF with less than 300 HR and less than 1000 RBI.

Forgive my lack of excitement.


You really get that Peters and Wynn were "average" from looking at their numbers?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I have never heard of them. Sorry I am not as educated and smart as you.


I don't know whether you are or aren't. Maybe you're not a baseball fan. If you are, I would think you'd be interested. Maybe you should listen to Spada's show. I'm not 110 years old but I know who Red Grange and Hurry Up Yost were.

Listen to Spada's show?

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After looking both up, they had very average and unmemorable careers.

A 124-103 pitcher and a career .250 BA OF with less than 300 HR and less than 1000 RBI.

Forgive my lack of excitement.


You really get that Peters and Wynn were "average" from looking at their numbers?


They are average and 2011 Juan Pierre is bad, yes.

Gary Peters

Johnny Antonelli (961)
Mike Scott (954)
Ray Culp (950)
Al Downing (949)
Sonny Siebert (947)
Jon Matlack (943)
Bob Ojeda (941)
Sid Fernandez (941)
Jose Rijo (940)
Steve Barber (937)

Jim Wynn

Mike Cameron (924)
Ron Gant (919)
Tom Brunansky (892)
Bobby Murcer (887)
Reggie Sanders (880)
Brady Anderson (879)
Rick Monday (876)
Frank Thomas (874)
Sal Bando (871)
Larry Parrish (869)


You're a moron who doesn't know what he's talking about. Jimmy Wynn was arguably a better offensive player than Roberto Clemente.

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Yet the statistics back me up and not you.


How so? I'm not sure what you're reading.

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18 Seasons 2433 10212 9454 1416 3000 440 166 240 1305 83 46 621 1230 .317 .359 .475 .834 130 4492 275 35 36 66 167
162 Game Avg. 162 680 629 94 200 29 11 16 87 6 3 41 82 .317 .359 .475 .834 130 299 18 2 2 4 11

15 Seasons 1920 8010 6653 1105 1665 285 39 291 964 225 101 1224 1427 .250 .366 .436 .802 128 2901 117 27 32 74 84
162 Game Avg. 162 676 561 93 140 24 3 25 81 19 9 103 120 .250 .366 .436 .802 128 245 10 2 3 6 7

I'll let you guess who is who.


I know who is who. The guy with more homers and a higher OBP who played the majority of his career in places that were notoriously far more difficult for hitters than Forbes Field is Jimmy Wynn.

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I have no idea who they are either, FWIW. It's not even like I recognize the name, but can't place them. Just flat out haven't heard of them.
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I have no idea who they are either, FWIW. It's not even like I recognize the name, but can't place them. Just flat out haven't heard of them.


I guess no one needs to have heard of them. But wouldn't you find it odd if you occasionally found yourself in arguments about Big Ten football with a much younger guy who claimed to be a HUGE Wisconsin football fan, and he didn't know who Ron Dayne or Ron Vander Kelen were?

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I have no idea who they are either, FWIW. It's not even like I recognize the name, but can't place them. Just flat out haven't heard of them.


I guess no one needs to have heard of them. But wouldn't you find it odd if you occasionally found yourself in arguments about Big Ten football with a much younger guy who claimed to be a HUGE Wisconsin football fan, and he didn't know who Ron Dayne or Ron Vander Kelen were?


Definitely.


FWIW, I know of Dayne very well. And while I don't know much about RVK, I know who he is. Did I pass?
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
18 Seasons 2433 10212 9454 1416 3000 440 166 240 1305 83 46 621 1230 .317 .359 .475 .834 130 4492 275 35 36 66 167
162 Game Avg. 162 680 629 94 200 29 11 16 87 6 3 41 82 .317 .359 .475 .834 130 299 18 2 2 4 11

15 Seasons 1920 8010 6653 1105 1665 285 39 291 964 225 101 1224 1427 .250 .366 .436 .802 128 2901 117 27 32 74 84
162 Game Avg. 162 676 561 93 140 24 3 25 81 19 9 103 120 .250 .366 .436 .802 128 245 10 2 3 6 7

I'll let you guess who is who.


I know who is who. The guy with more homers and a higher OBP who played the majority of his career in places that were notoriously far more difficult for hitters than Forbes Field is Jimmy Wynn.


Another fantastic JORR opinion: Roberto Clemente is nothing compared to the great, amazing Jim Wynn. He of the slightly more than half as many hits fame.


So, suddenly OBP doesn't matter? How many guys with equal service time have more hits than Juan Pierre? Get your arguments in order, man.

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I have no idea who they are either, FWIW. It's not even like I recognize the name, but can't place them. Just flat out haven't heard of them.


I guess no one needs to have heard of them. But wouldn't you find it odd if you occasionally found yourself in arguments about Big Ten football with a much younger guy who claimed to be a HUGE Wisconsin football fan, and he didn't know who Ron Dayne or Ron Vander Kelen were?


Definitely.


FWIW, I know of Dayne very well. And while I don't know much about RVK, I know who he is. Did I pass?


I figured you knew a whole lot more about Badger football than I do. That's why I'm not going to argue with you about it.

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It is widely agreed upon now that .OPS is the ultimate offensive statistic. It incorporates a wide range of offensive abilities into one nice figure.


Are you suggesting it doesn't apply retroactively to guys who played in the 60s? Because Jimmy Wynn's career adjusted OPS compares very favorably with Clemente's and I would suggest that the adjustments do not fully and properly take into consideration the larger percentage of Wynn's career that occurred during the second dead ball era as compared with Clemente nor the effects of the Astrodome and Chavez Ravine.

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I specifically mentioned the current Juan Pierre isn't very good.


And yet, he gets on base more than the current Starlin Castro.

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Had Spada just gotten Roberto Clemente to show up, this wouldn't be happening.


I'd listen to that just for the comedy gold of Zombie Clemente eating Elliott Harris.

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Had Spada just gotten Roberto Clemente to show up, this wouldn't be happening.


I'd listen to that just for the comedy gold of Zombie Clemente eating Elliott Harris.

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I specifically mentioned the current Juan Pierre isn't very good.


And yet, he gets on base more than the current Starlin Castro.

And back you go to OBP instead of OPS.

Who is the better offensive player, JORR - Starlin Castro or Juan Pierre?


Castro, but he's not enough better to be "good" if you're telling me Pierre is "bad".

You said Jimmy Wynn was an average player. That belongs in the "Dumbest Things I Read on the Board Today" thread. Gary Peters wasn't "average" either. He won about 55% of his decisions and led the league in ERA twice.

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