I'm really not trying to cross-contaminate threads here, but..............

What?!?!? This conflicts with that other thread?

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In my opinion, the SEC/Big Ten/Pac 12 are working towards being the three dominant conferences with the fourth shaking out however. That's why the SEC would want A&M. It was well known that the Pac 12 and Big Ten were working together. It only makes sense for the SEC to align with them and not go against them.

Obviously, it's just speculation but those three conferences can start dividing the money 4 ways instead of 6 ways and make even more.

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I can't see the Pac-12 caving on the equitable distribution question. Longhorn Network would be dead in the water. Maybe they make an exception because it is Texas, but there are a lot of "smaller" schools in the Pac-12 that would really resent it (Wazzu, Oregon State, Stanford, Cal, Utah, kinda Colorado).

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If any of this ends up in the demise of the Longhorn Network, I'm in favor of it.

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I don't see the contradiction. Schools try to maximize revenue, and there is a significant different between the Big 12 and the SEC.

My other thread is only about what goes into the pie, and how the pie gets split up. It's not about whether the pie is too big, too small, split fairly, etc. Those are open questions that can be debated by reasonable people.

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I'll never understand for the life of me why ESPN and the University of Texas collaborated on that...

Why would the cap presumably be at 16 teams? Easy inter division scheduling?

If the 16 number is accurate, Would these super conferences consider revoking membership to schools that don't produce or tap into a valuable market ie Vanderbilt if that would allow them to absorb a better program?

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It's mostly an easily manageable number, and does open up the opportunity of an interconference weekend of games(Big Ten vs. SEC ranked 1 through 16 all on the same day or weekend). Also, it's the easiest way to make sure the whole conference plays each other.
I don't see it in the Big Ten or Pac 12. Those are filled with long lasting and sustained rivalries. Also, every conference needs bottom feeders. You'll always have a last place team so you might as well keep yours.

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That's really tough to imagine, especially in Vanderbilt's case. They are an original member of the conference, and there is quite a bit of institutional unity between the schools. It would be like the Big Ten kicking out Northwestern; that's just not going to happen.

Plus, there's a theory (that was a lot more popular 20 years ago) that conferences need teams that everyone knows will be bad, or else one of those good programs will become bad. They used to call it the corn-cob theory and talk about it all the damn time. I think Florida, Alabama, and the other major schools like having an almost-guaranteed conference win every season more than the pure financial mathematics might indicate.

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More crazy thoughts:

-Why is Kansas more expendable than Baylor? Wouldn't a conference rather have a well-rounded, established program like KU than Baylor?

-I'm thinking if a school "left" the SEC, it wouldn't be Vandy, it'd be Arkansas. They could re-attach with some old SWAC friends, and along with some of the other cast-offs from other conferences, form a respectable conference that is just as geographically logical as what is going on now (I realize geography really isn't the main factor in any of this, just saying).

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Texas football market

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Rumor is that Kansas has made it clear that Kansas and Kansas State are a package deal wherever they go. However, that's going to be a tough principle to keep if they are looking at dropping out completely of a BCS conference.

The Big Ten would possibly consider Kansas for basketball reasons but not if they had to take Kansas State.

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Baylor has no market. Baylor is on very shaky ground now that A&M is gone.

You know who should be really, really afraid? DePaul. The Chicago market is all pretend for the Big East.

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They may not have a market, but they have some very deep and entrenched relationships in the state of Texas. That is how they got in the conference to begin with and that is not going to change any time soon.

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They are a Horizon league school playing in the Big East anyways.

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There was talk earlier in the week of having SMU maybe joining the Big 12 too.

Texas A&M is a big get for the SEC in the big scheme of things. Down south there in Texas they are a powerful school that has the type of presence to bring Texas with them. Texas has natural rivalries in Arkansas, LSU and of course Texas A&M, and I am sure that is what the SEC is hoping. I fully expect to see the other 2 teams come from the ACC or the Big East that will join for the other side of the conference.

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That was mainly because of Ann Richards, but she's sitting over a loved one's mantle in an urn right now.

Besides, even if Baylor has influence in Texas, the A&M defection ruins that. Used to be "want UT and A&M? Take Tech and Baylor." Now what? The Pac 12 will just say fuck Tech too if they try to pull that.

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What is the deal with FSU and 2 other ACC teams joining the SEC as well? Is that actually going to happen or was that just a rumor?

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FSU I can see, though there are rumors that Florida vehemently doesn't want that.

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Not as entrenched as A&M - and they are finding a way to get over those feelings.

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I heard with Florida State, also Virginia Tech would jump with them, not sure about the other team.

If all this stuff ever happens and more and more sounds like it's coming, I know it's all about football, but could you imagine the conference tournaments in basketball, may take a week to play them.

2 completely different situations. A&M wants out. Baylor doesn't. Obviously, if Baylor wanted out those entrenched relationships wouldn't matter.

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If OU stays with the Big 12, that conference could be alright, but they'd obviously add members. SMU has been mentioned alot, and so has Houston. I bet TCU wishes they'd waited a year (if nothing else so they could consider all options equally) - and maybe there would be an outside chance they could get somebody like BYU (Big 12 obviously has no qualms about schools with their own networks).

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Miami? Or are they manus non grata?

PAC - 16??

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story ... ource-says

PAC-10 says the "Longhorn Network" is not gonna happen if Texas joins them. Good for them. Really hope they make that stick.

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I am telling you guys Texas is going to end up in the Pac 10 and still have their TV deal.

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While a Longhorn Network may technically exist there is no way that the Pac 12 is letting Texas join and take an uneven share of the tv contract.

What benefit does it give to the Pac 12 to bring them in if they don't provide any value to the other schools?

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Getting an open door into Texas provides value to all the other schools. I really hope I am wrong on this as I do not think it would be right to let them in with their TV deal, but I still think Texas finds a way to pull this off.

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