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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:54 am 
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If at one time I did watch more basketball than you, I won't this season, I am now married :) West did have some really bad games, and it seemed he had lost confidence in his free throw line extended jumper...but I'm not here to criticize West, I liked him out of Xavier. Chandler has a ton of blocked shots, I'll agree with you there, but he's NOT a complete player, and the reason I brought up Noah's four year saga is due to your comment about high school players. FF, the Bulls should not have been picking in that draft, Noah is a big time problem. The good news is that Vinny will try to accomodate him rather than Skiles needling him...which does Noah need more? I don't know...

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bottom line, FF...I'm a big Bulls fan (a season ticket holder, for crying out loud) and you are too, and we both want the best for the Bulls...we just happen to disagree how to get there...

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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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So far, I think Rose was the right choice.

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Is he stoned or does he just not care? Either way this guy will make more headlines off the court then on it. Just a hunch. You can tell by the eyes sometimes. See: Cedric Benson
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That guy who started this thread is basketball retarded.

Nobody's perfect. I'm questioning my Tyrus Thomas prediction of him becoming a decent player but I'm willing to give it more time.

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of course you'd rather have Rose...Bease was going up against Noah, for cryin' out loud...of course he will look like a superstar. people who keep supporting Noah need to watch the games...

this brings back memories...the first major argument I had on the board was in this thread with Favrefan. I hate Noah. He did not...

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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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the first major argument I had on the board was in this thread with Favrefan. I hate Noah. He did not...


Ive had some interesting back 'n forth with him...

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That guy who started this thread is basketball retarded.

Nobody's perfect. I'm questioning my Tyrus Thomas prediction of him becoming a decent player but I'm willing to give it more time.


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How long you got?

I gave 4 years to Curtis Painter!

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How long you got?

I gave 4 years to Curtis Painter!

:lol:

First player to get worse with more experience.

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Is he stoned or does he just not care? Either way this guy will make more headlines off the court then on it. Just a hunch. You can tell by the eyes sometimes. See: Cedric Benson


Wow. Very prophetic, rpb.

Beasely just checked in to a rehab for pot abuse and psychological issues and twitted that he didn't want to live any more.


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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Is he stoned or does he just not care? Either way this guy will make more headlines off the court then on it. Just a hunch. You can tell by the eyes sometimes. See: Cedric Benson


Wow. Very prophetic, rpb.

Beasely just checked in to a rehab for pot abuse and psychological issues and twitted that he didn't want to live any more.

This should probably be re located to the Smokey Thread

Wow...I kinda feel bad for him though. (and spare me the he makes blah blah million dollars...depression doesnt care about money...hope he ends up ok.)


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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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Nas before the start of the 2008-09 NBA Season wrote:
Beasley will be a force from day one and Rose may catch up or pass him in a few years.



:lol: Wow Nas, this might be my next signature.

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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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Here is another. Sorry Nas.

I also find some good stuff on me thinking Tyrus Thomas will become great.

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I would like to know what the basketball sages of the board--Nas, FavreFan, Bagels, etc--think the ceiling is for Beasley. Who will he be next year? In three years? In five years? And how does his potential compare to Rose's? Mike DeCourcey says Beasley may be a 24 and 10 guy as soon as next year, but he also argues that Beasley will never have a dominant low-post, back-to-the-basket game and won't be able to overpower opponents at the next level. This assessment strikes me as a bit enigmatic, so I'd like to hear the detailed analyses of the CSFMB basketball intelligentsia. Is Beasley a game-changer or not? A future top ten player, or something less? And why? Paint me a picture, gentlemen.

Edit: And FavreFan, I know you're not a big college basketball guy, but I still want your thoughts.


Beasley is a freak of nature. The guy can do it all and will only get better. I think he is a combination of Duncan and KG (more KG) but with better ball handling skills and range. He will be a high turnover guy for a few years (as most big men are) but I wouldn't worry about his low post game or getting overpowered. Most big men that come in the league are not physically mature (Howard being an exception) and none of them have great post moves. That will come with time. I see him being close to 15 and 10 next year and in 3 or 4 years being one of the best big men in the game. Top 10 player? It's possible. When you consider how many good big men are in the game and the type of mismatch he creates for all of them with his skill set I can't see how it isn't likely.

What a lot of people are forgetting is that Beasley was the consensus #1 pick throughout the year and did nothing to make anyone think differently. I think people tend to remember what is fresh. Most remember what Rose did in the tournament and that has elevated their opinion of Rose and diminished what Beasley consistently did throughout the season. They don't remember that Rose was up and down all season and had some terrible games. IMO Rose is a little more raw than Beasley. Beasley has the highest floor and Rose has a slightly higher ceiling.

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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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Nas wrote:
:lol: It happens. Beasley still has a chance to put it together but needless to say I was completely wrong about Beasley vs Rose.

You were right about him bieng black...but thats not why his eyes were cashed. :D


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I thought Rose would be good, But I didn't expect Beasley to be that average... good luck to him though...

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 Post subject: Re: Beasley vs Rose
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:lol: It happens. Beasley still has a chance to put it together but needless to say I was completely wrong about Beasley vs Rose.


Well, everyone know what your worst prediction was.

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:lol: It happens. Beasley still has a chance to put it together but needless to say I was completely wrong about Beasley vs Rose.

Well, everyone know what your worst prediction was.

The Rex one or the Mark Prior one?

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beasley is a phag fuckin hosebag piece of shit. ill take our weed smokin baby gangster anyday.

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Beasley seems to be reforming his career.

Rose is still the clear choice but things are looking up for Beasley.

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Beasley seems to be reforming his career.

Rose is still the clear choice but things are looking up for Beasley.

Beasley had a monster week, but we will see if he can sustain that kind of effort across a whole season. Minnesota is actually a great place for him to be right now. They will probably let him do just about anything he wants on the court. If Miami would have figured out a way to keep him, he would probably be riding the bench.

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From what I saw, the Bulls were running a glorified pickup game offense. Without structure, that's going to happen.

Who knew Vinny would run this offense well beyond summer league.

Did anyone make this joke already?

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:lol: I forgot about CoF's irrational dislike of Noah.

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My assumption is that Rose will be the #1 player, although probably not the #1 scorer. Bulls sycophants have been telling me for years that Luol Deng will be at least a #2 for years. Beasley will quickly be better than Deng, if he isn't already.



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My assumption is that Rose will be the #1 player, although probably not the #1 scorer. Bulls sycophants have been telling me for years that Luol Deng will be at least a #2 for years. Beasley will quickly be better than Deng, if he isn't already.



:shock:

This wasn't really controversial at all at the time. Although it is fun to look back 3-4 years at thoughts. Sucks biggie erased Nas.

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My assumption is that Rose will be the #1 player, although probably not the #1 scorer. Bulls sycophants have been telling me for years that Luol Deng will be at least a #2 for years. Beasley will quickly be better than Deng, if he isn't already.



:shock:

This wasn't really controversial at all at the time. Although it is fun to look back 3-4 years at thoughts. Sucks biggie erased Nas.


Yeah, Rose is a much better scorer than I thought he would be. He's also a much worse defender than I predicted.

Deng has never been a legitimate #2. The team's failure to fill that role explains their demise in last season's playoffs.

Beasley is icky. Nas thought he was going to be an All-Star center! :lol:

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This wasn't really controversial at all at the time. Although it is fun to look back 3-4 years at thoughts. Sucks biggie erased Nas.


Yeah, Rose is a much better scorer than I thought he would be. He's also a much worse defender than I predicted.

Deng has never been a legitimate #2. The team's failure to fill that role explains their demise in last season's playoffs.

Beasley is icky. Nas thought he was going to be an All-Star center! :lol:

No. Deng has become a really good player. Their lack of shooting and relative inexperience led to their demise in the playoffs. Also like I repeatedly said at the time, you don't really ever see young teams jump from no success in the playoffs to a title so they finished right about where they should based on historical progressions of championship teams. When basketball resumes we will see if they regress. I doubt they will.
You were also quite wrong about Noah.

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