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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:40 am 
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Can't they just amnesty Boozer?

Only in the off-season. You can't do it in the middle of a season, and there's no way Jerry eats that money.

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Can't they just amnesty Boozer?




no...i doubt any player gets amnestied ..you still have to pay his contract and boozer is not a bum he is pretty good

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Would Howard make a huge impact on the Bulls? Yes. Would I like to see Rose and Howard on the floor at the same time? Yes.

But I just simply do not see how Orlando can justify a trade to Chicago from both a financial and conference-perspective.

Furthermore, I am not totally sold on the idea that adding Howard makes you better than Miami. Not if it means giving up a player like Deng or Gibson, which will have to happen.

Rose and Wade match-up well. Howard would own the paint. But who gets stuck gaurding LeBron?


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Love and Rubio are a pretty awesome combination, they have a great coach, they could be really good a lot sooner than you think. It sounds like you're underrating Love and Rubio's potential considering how good he already is at this age and point of his rookie season.


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taj/noah > gasol/bynum

I still can't figure out if your sports thoughts are real, or if you just troll this board.




you think gasol and bynum have more value than taj/noah..i disagree..gasol is 32 and bynum is a career 10 ppg/7 rebounds.. noah >bynum and taj may be a 6th man here but he is going to start for any other team.

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 Post subject: Re: Boozer or Gibson?
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312player wrote:
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taj/noah > gasol/bynum

I still can't figure out if your sports thoughts are real, or if you just troll this board.




you think gasol and bynum have more value than taj/noah..i disagree..gasol is 32 and bynum is a career 10 ppg/7 rebounds.. noah >bynum and taj may be a 6th man here but he is going to start for any other team.

Yep, just trolling.

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Because that was the max contract for Love's age.

Exactly. That's the new value of a standard four year max contract. It makes Boozer's contract clearly a liability more than an asset.

If Love was in the NBA as long as Boozer was, Love would have gotten paid way more than 4y/62M. It is difficult to compare contracts in the NBA as it is the only league that limits what a player can make based on experience. MLB has a similar idea but it works a lot differently.

This is why Rashard Lewis', Gilbert Arenas', and Kobe Bryant's max contracts were a lot larger than LeBron James', Derrick Rose's, and Russell Westbrook's. It is an unfair system that rewards experience over skill.[/quote]

Kobe was the best player in the game and Otis Smith bid $40M dollars more than everyone else.

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312player wrote:
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taj/noah > gasol/bynum

I still can't figure out if your sports thoughts are real, or if you just troll this board.




you think gasol and bynum have more value than taj/noah..i disagree..gasol is 32 and bynum is a career 10 ppg/7 rebounds.. noah >bynum and taj may be a 6th man here but he is going to start for any other team.

Taj Gibson....great basketball player.....or greatest basketball player?

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trolling? nah man..i have seen some of you guys future hall of fame lists with names like ohn salmons on it..taj is a good player who is under paid and young..a future starter no doubt he has a lot of value and so does noah...gasol is 32 and on the decline and making too much money..bynum is having a career year after being chronically injured almost yearly. taj/noah have more value than bynum/gasol.. every g.m. in the league agrees with me

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trolling? nah man..i have seen some of you guys future hall of fame lists with names like ohn salmons on it..taj is a good player who is under paid and young..a future starter no doubt he has a lot of value and so does noah...gasol is 32 and on the decline and making too much money..bynum is having a career year after being chronically injured almost yearly. taj/noah have more value than bynum/gasol.. every g.m. in the league agrees with me

I always thought ohn salmons was the real deal

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312player wrote:
trolling? nah man..i have seen some of you guys future hall of fame lists with names like ohn salmons on it..taj is a good player who is under paid and young..a future starter no doubt he has a lot of value and so does noah...gasol is 32 and on the decline and making too much money..bynum is having a career year after being chronically injured almost yearly. taj/noah have more value than bynum/gasol.. every g.m. in the league agrees with me


Nothing like a sweeping generalized statement to drive home a point.


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trolling? nah man..i have seen some of you guys future hall of fame lists with names like ohn salmons on it..taj is a good player who is under paid and young..a future starter no doubt he has a lot of value and so does noah...gasol is 32 and on the decline and making too much money..bynum is having a career year after being chronically injured almost yearly. taj/noah have more value than bynum/gasol.. every g.m. in the league agrees with me


Nothing like a sweeping generalized statement to drive home a point.

Every person in the entire world realizes that ohn salmons is a first ballot hall of famer.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
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trolling? nah man..i have seen some of you guys future hall of fame lists with names like ohn salmons on it..taj is a good player who is under paid and young..a future starter no doubt he has a lot of value and so does noah...gasol is 32 and on the decline and making too much money..bynum is having a career year after being chronically injured almost yearly. taj/noah have more value than bynum/gasol.. every g.m. in the league agrees with me


Nothing like a sweeping generalized statement to drive home a point.




was just using that statement as an example..nothing personal..taj/noah value over bynum/gasol is not really a controversial stance or trolling.

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Here's why DB said you were trolling.. Bynum and Gasol are worth more than Noah and Taj. A lot more. I would bet everything I owned every single GM would agree.

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d bag is true to his name i will give him that.. gasol is 32 and making 17 million a year..taj gibson is making 2 million...bynum is making 16 million..noah makes 11...taj/noah is better bang for buck and younger.

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Love and Rubio are a pretty awesome combination, they have a great coach, they could be really good a lot sooner than you think. It sounds like you're underrating Love and Rubio's potential considering how good he already is at this age and point of his rookie season.


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Boozer can shoot the turn around jumper and the 15 footer. THATS IT. Gibson has a decent baseline jumper, runs the floor on the break, blocks shots which creates a fast break, contests shots, bodys up, battles both ends boards and can guard the SF PF and Center. This is very simple. Gibsons defense and limited offense is way better (IMO) on a full court than Boozer offers. I wanted Boozer and I was wrong. The upside is the Bulls have depth that makes them hard to game plan for. Thats a good thing.

If Gibson is not on the Magic, the Bulls will make Gibson a very rich man. Especially with Thibbs as coach.


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Boozer needs launched via amnesty after the season.


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Boozer needs launched via amnesty after the season.


But the Bulls don't want to pay him and then have to dump him. I would think they would try to trade him if they really wanted to get rid of him.

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Boozer needs launched via amnesty after the season.


But the Bulls don't want to pay him and then have to dump him. I would think they would try to trade him if they really wanted to get rid of him.

But they will have to trade him for an equally overpaid player, who they will not be allowed to amnesty.

I would hope that the Bulls would amnesty Boozer if they are guaranteed to acquire a legit superstar by doing so, but they won't do it just to improve the position from "decent" to "good" or "very good."


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Trading Boozer for a different bad contract would probably get you something worse in return.

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Trading Boozer for a different bad contract would probably get you something worse in return.


Unless it is A'mare.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
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Trading Boozer for a different bad contract would probably get you something worse in return.


Unless it is A'mare.

Not a chance that happens.

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I really think the Wolves will be very good a lot sooner than some realize

as i've said before, all they really need is a outside shooter to ease the defense. right now Rubio doesn't shoot all that well so teams dare him to shoot and on most nights he can't, and they double team Love. Barea is not the answer. neither is wayne ellington, anthony tolliver, etc.

find a decent two guard and a role player or two and they're right there


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Trading Boozer for a different bad contract would probably get you something worse in return.

A rich man's Ben Wallace for Larry Hughes trade.

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I really think the Wolves will be very good a lot sooner than some realize

as i've said before, all they really need is a outside shooter to ease the defense. right now Rubio doesn't shoot all that well so teams dare him to shoot and on most nights he can't, and they double team Love. Barea is not the answer. neither is wayne ellington, anthony tolliver, etc.

find a decent two guard and a role player or two and they're right there


Considering I picked them to make the playoffs you're behind. Just as I told you all when David Stern was destroying the Hornets the Wolves pick will be better than the Rockets. Just another sign the Lakers deal was better.

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I really think the Wolves will be very good a lot sooner than some realize

as i've said before, all they really need is a outside shooter to ease the defense. right now Rubio doesn't shoot all that well so teams dare him to shoot and on most nights he can't, and they double team Love. Barea is not the answer. neither is wayne ellington, anthony tolliver, etc.

find a decent two guard and a role player or two and they're right there


Considering I picked them to make the playoffs you're behind. Just as I told you all when David Stern was destroying the Hornets the Wolves pick will be better than the Rockets. Just another sign the Lakers deal was better.


i agree with you , i don't think many people disagree that the Lakers deal was better. As i posted awhile back, Gordon turned down the hornets extension....


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Trading Boozer for a different bad contract would probably get you something worse in return.


Unless it is A'mare.

Not a chance that happens.


Probably right. But with a team that lacks cohesion as much as the Knickerbockers, who would be the most likely player they will trade with the chance of getting anything of value in return?

It ain't Carmelo. He's not going anywhere.


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I really think the Wolves will be very good a lot sooner than some realize

as i've said before, all they really need is a outside shooter to ease the defense. right now Rubio doesn't shoot all that well so teams dare him to shoot and on most nights he can't, and they double team Love. Barea is not the answer. neither is wayne ellington, anthony tolliver, etc.

find a decent two guard and a role player or two and they're right there


Considering I picked them to make the playoffs you're behind. Just as I told you all when David Stern was destroying the Hornets the Wolves pick will be better than the Rockets. Just another sign the Lakers deal was better.

You only said that because they have a dominant center like Beasley.

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boozers contract is not good but it is not as bad as a ben wallace more like equal to a joe johnson level of bad.

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