30 starts at 7 innings (avg) per start gives him 210.

Steve, do you do your own math when figuring out how much paint you need for a job? If so, I would guess you have hundreds of gallons wasted every year.

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At his current pace he will exceed 30 starts. Take the number of remaining games and divide that by 5 and you get the remaining starts he should get. How are you only coming up with 30 starts? Are you assuming they shut him down in September? He should get 21 more starts this season and that should result in 147 additional innings to add to the 75 he has already =222 innings. Thats 84 more innings than he has ever pitched in a season and 151 more innings than last season.

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Reply to Chus's post.

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There is really nothing of substance to reply to. I never made any claims that were not true. I claimed that my team had won our league Championships in 2010 and 2011 and that I had a 700 series as well as winning an award for high average in a league (different league than the one in which my team won the league titles) All of those things are true. As far as whether Chus "lays off" or not, it's of no consequence to me. It's mind over matter. I don't mind because he doesn't matter.

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This is weak. I hate ES as much as the next guy, but this would be like ES saying to you "reply to RPB's post".

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I don't think he can get 33 considering he already missed one when they "moved him to the bullpen" and they're going to work around his likely start in the All-Star game. I'd guess he ends up with 28-30 starts and then gets about five more in the postseason.

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I believe the Sox said they would skip one start around the AS game - assuming he pitches in the AS game. That may only be an inning or two, but that counts against the wear and tear in his arm also when you consider warming-up, side sessions, etc. So it's actually like a really short start, not skipping a a start all together.

They should strongly consider limiting him this year. Learn from everyone else's mistakes.

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I believe Frank was referring to Chus challenging your math.

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Steve, I know all of the leagues in which you bowled. I'm looking at your averages right now. I said if that was the high average in any league, you were bowling against sub-par competition, and really shouldn't be bragging. 183, 176, and 182 are your last three averages.

You said that I was ignorant, even though I have the proof. Proof which I have shared with a few other people here. Everything that I have said about your bowling is true, and you know it. Stop lying.

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That makes sense. But I wouldnt blame someone for using that number like Steve did

6.7 innings X 22= 147.4 + 74 =221.4


Im just saying, its not like some absurd number

EDIT: I like your moxie with the 5 post season starts!

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No, what's weak is Steve attempting basic math, gets called out for being wrong, and then doesn't reply to that post.

Barring injury, officer Steve, Sale will NOT be shut down early if the Sox are still in the division race. The Sox will probably give him an extended rest over the AS break, and you might see him skipped here or there due to a rainout or when the rosters expand in September, but they are not gonna shut him down.

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Ok, so then didn't you (and others) do the same thing regarding RPB's post? That's using math that's even more basic, and it's different than your numbers. Plus, if you think the Sox are gonna make the postseason, don;t you have to figure those innings into the workload on his arm?

Like RPB said, none of these numbers are that extreme anyway, and nobody knows for sure. All of the various estimates come up above 200+ IP, and his previous high is in the 70's. So you can bicker about exact IP (which can't be exactly known anyway for at least another 5 months) or you can realize that no matter the number, his arm is gonna experience unprecedented wear/tear. His mechanics are "funky" to say the least. I'm not a big "he's too skinny" guy - Lincecum is just as skinny and Randy Johnson always was.
But the concern is legit.

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I don't think that's really a sequel though. It was filmed as one movie and split up for marketing.

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Speigel's column on this subject.
http://t.co/pGECfvSu

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Of course, everyone is just estimating based on current pace, and there are several ways to do it. I took Steve's formula, and plugged in the actual numbers, and he got it wrong.

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You think biscuit actually wrote that?

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I never said steve's numbers were extreme. I said that he has shown his math skills on the board here time and time again, and he was proven wrong like 2 posts later.


My bigger point is that nobody from the Sox has said anything about "lowering the Sale" or shutting him down. Not a word. The only thing anybody with the Sox said is that they are looking to give him a long lay off over the AS break; that's it. As far as concern, I'm more concerned with Floyd and Humber than I am with Sale.

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Calling ES out on his bowling legend is funny because he is lying about actual numbers that have (or haven't ) occurred.

Frank using your estimations to call out ES is.............

The point is - either way, he's gonna have a ton of innings on that arm with a jacked-up delivery. Skipping one start at the AS game means.....nothing really, does it?

If the Sox don't rest him, and an injury/severe fatigue/loss of effectiveness occurs, are Sox fans gonna place the blame on Coop/Ventura/Kenny like they should? Dusty would get blown up for the same thing.

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But in skipping that one start over the AS break, it actually really gives him a rest. He will start 4 games max in July if they line up the rotation the way they say they are gonna. And even if he starts/pitches in the AS game, that is only going to be about 30 pitches. He is also in the middle of a stretch where he has 6 days off in between 4 of his 5 starts.

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If they skip his start at the AS break (and he pitches in the game), he's getting basically the exact same rest that all of the other non-AS pitchers get at that time but has to have a, right? It's really not much of a rest (if any).
Or am I mis-understanding their plan?

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I would think that most pitchers would say that throwing an inning or 2 in the AS game is a lot less physically and mentally taxing than starting and chucking anywhere from 5-8 innings in a regular game

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I dont care about his arm. Im not his mommy. If he pitched the Sox to a World Series its more than most Sox pitchers and all Cub pitchers have done in the last,100 years.

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...Re: Chris Sale IP Watch

I keep reading this and wonder who gives a shit about the internet protocol on Sale's watch.

I never began lying. The league I had the high average in last year (2011) was at Poplar creek in the Lane Ducks league. I had a 193 average (look it up asshole) this season in that league, but didn't lead the league this time because I expanded the league by 2 teams and amongst the new bowlers I brought in were several friends with high averages (One averages about 220) But finishing with a 193 average was something I was quite content with-it was just short of the 194 average I had a few years ago. You are ignorant or you wouldn't make claims as you have. You think that you can look up posted averages from the USBC and know everything, but because this league was not sanctioned by the USBC, the information was not available to you. Yet you make statements as if you have all the facts, when in fact you did not. Now go look up the information like a good boy and get better informed......

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If it's not a sanctioned league, then it doesn't count. It's just like going up to the bowling alley for open bowling, and rolling a few games with your friends.

Another point that I have often made, which you conveniently ignore, is that leading a league with a 194 is nothing to brag about. You would be somewhere in the middle of our league, and it isn't even the highest competition level. If you bowled on a Friday league, you would have one of the lowest averages.

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The lane conditions are the same in that league as they are for the leagues that bowl there that are USBC sanctioned leagues. The only difference is that the league doesnt pay fees to the USBC so it doesn't get any USBC awards. Doesn't change the bowling in any way and I don't give a shit if my 194 average wouldn't lead other leagues. I only claimed (accurately) to have led my league. Where I would rank in any other league is immaterial to the discussion and I don't give a shit what you think of that average. I feel content with it and how you feel about it couldn't possibly mean less to me. Now go get your shine box boy...

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