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Chris Sale 71%  71%  [ 29 ]
Starlin Castro 29%  29%  [ 12 ]
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depends on how bad he is. adam dunn at SS would cost you more runs than he creates.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant believe so many people are taking a guy who plays every 5 days


You know how this works. It has nothing to do with what position the guys play.

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Well, given that Sox fans are more interested in World Series titles than Division titles, you could argue that the pitcher who can go up to 3 times in a 7 game series has more value than "once every 5 days".

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
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Can someone give me a comparison of Jeter's 1st 3 years of defensive stats vs Castro?

I don't really care about offense if my shortstop doesn't know how many outs there are.

Offense is literally 20 times as important as fielding

I disagree when it comes to shortstop, but ok...cool.

Let me amend what I said.

The numbers suggest....offense is 20 times as important.

And regardless of the overall vaule you're right, SS is pretty important as far as defense goes


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant believe so many people are taking a guy who plays every 5 days



Well, it's a guy who records about 20 outs every 5 days vs. a guy who bats about 20 times every 5 days. It's probaby pretty similar in importance.

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Tough call, I would take Sale..Castro is a butcher with the glove and will not be a SS in 2 years, does not walk enough either and not much power...Sale injury concern is slightly higher than Castro rape concern going forward.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Let me amend what I said.

The numbers suggest....offense is 20 times as important.

And regardless of the overall vaule you're right, SS is pretty important as far as defense goes


The mistake that people make is looking at a guy who is a "bad" fielder and overestimating what that means to the team. Shortstop might have more intanglibles than most positions being in the middle of the field. Jeter's presence has been critical although his defense has not. But even the worst fielder ever is going to make most of the plays and of the ones he doesn't make, many will turn out to be meaningless anyway.

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And how does Biggio get labeled roids but not Alomar ?

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depends on how bad he is. adam dunn at SS would cost you more runs than he creates.


yeah but at least adam dunn would have a beer and a shot with me after the game like matt stairs. starlin castro might or not already be slippin chicks at the club a little something (call the chicago pd! RECALL STARLIN!)

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depends on how bad he is. adam dunn at SS would cost you more runs than he creates.



I've never seen Dunn play short.

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depends on how bad he is. adam dunn at SS would cost you more runs than he creates.



I've never seen Dunn play short.


There's a reason for that.

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Sale could be great for a decade and he cold also be Mark Prior. Assuming anything beyond the present day with a pitcher is very dangerous.

I feel safe assuming Castro will get at least 185 hits per season for the next 10-15 years.

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Now if you said Strasburg or Harper..I take Harper...and Strasburg>Sale

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Lefthanded starting pitching in the #1 commodity in baseball.

The correct answer is Chris Sale.

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Lefthanded starting pitching in the #1 commodity in baseball.

The correct answer is Chris Sale.

Solid, proven left handed starting pitching...maybe.

Chris Sale is 2012's version of Erik Bedard.


he's as much that as he is the 2012 version of clayton kershaw

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Lefthanded starting pitching in the #1 commodity in baseball.

The correct answer is Chris Sale.

Solid, proven left handed starting pitching...maybe.

Chris Sale is 2012's version of Erik Bedard.

I went there, muhfuh.
Castro is Soriano (when he played infield)...with less power and a worse OBP.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Lefthanded starting pitching in the #1 commodity in baseball.

The correct answer is Chris Sale.

Solid, proven left handed starting pitching...maybe.

Chris Sale is 2012's version of Erik Bedard.

I went there, muhfuh.
Castro is Soriano (when he played infield)...with less power and a worse OBP.

Hard to argue...

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Lets see how many HR's Chris Sale hits in this series?
Hell, for the entire season?

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Lets see how many HR's Chris Sale hits in this series?
Hell, for the entire season?
Including playoffs? :wink:

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Lefthanded starting pitching in the #1 commodity in baseball.

The correct answer is Chris Sale.


and an over par score will NOT win the US Open. Its all so very clear.


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Pitching is more valuable imo.

Sale.

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I think the crowd picked the right guy, 2-1.

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I'd still take Sale probably.

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Dont like Castro's game at all. Wouldnt be surprised if Theo doesnt try and dump his overrated rear end if he can. I'll take Sale in a heartbeat.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Lefthanded starting pitching in the #1 commodity in baseball.

The correct answer is Chris Sale.

Solid, proven left handed starting pitching...maybe.

Chris Sale is 2012's version of Erik Bedard.
Maybe :lol:

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Sale, even if I do think he will have a career ending injury in the next 3 years and so do the Sox. Thus the constant extra rest.

However, i would have Sale pitch twice in a 7 game WS

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Sale, even if I do think he will have a career ending injury in the next 3 years and so do the Sox.
Why do you present your boneheaded opinions as fact?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Starlin Castro's numbers in his first three years are nearly identical to Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter is a first ballot Hall of Famer.



So you think Castro will be a first ballot Hall of Famer? The Cubs are loaded with them! Theo better win.


:lol: :face palm

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Sale, even if I do think he will have a career ending injury in the next 3 years and so do the Sox.
Why do you present your boneheaded opinions as fact?

To piss you off.

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