Gordon Beckham expectations

SHARK · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:00 pm

NSJ wrote:

SHARK wrote:

or the just-acquired Jose Castro, whom the White Sox just acquired in a minor trade with the Reds on the same day the White Sox/Indians' game in Cleveland was rained/snowed out.

Hit for average last year. Doesn't steal a base. Good fielder. Never played at major league level and only a few at basts at AAA. He's 25 but he looks like he's 18.

Well, I don't know what to do...Watching Beckham & Morel bat these days is like a root canal! I know it's early, but neither look like they belong! :oops:

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:03 pm

SHARK wrote:

NSJ wrote:

Well, I don't know what to do...Watching Beckham & Morel bat these days is like a root canal! I know it's early, but neither look like they belong! :oops:

I suggest you turn off the TV and read a book.

SHARK · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:08 pm

Hatchetman wrote:

SHARK wrote:

NSJ wrote:

Well, I don't know what to do...Watching Beckham & Morel bat these days is like a root canal! I know it's early, but neither look like they belong! :oops:

I suggest you turn off the TV and read a book.

Well, there are other things worth watching. If I wanted Jason Hervey on "The Wonder Years" & Scott Bakula on "Quantum Leap", I'd be watching a classic TV channel. One look at Beckham & Morel, and I have '80s TV flashbacks if you did a Luke Stuckmeyer-like "Luke-a-Like" of these two side by side.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Chisox wrote:

Here are my expectations for Beckham:

.290-.300 career hitter. May have a big year here and there, and top out at .320.
Homers: In the 20's every year, may have a couple 30-hr seasons
Extra base hits: In the 60's every year, probably close to 70.
Runs and RBI's: 90-110 every year.
Solid defense at 2B. Above average.
Multiple All-Star appearances.
Team leader type, possible captain.
If he does all this for 15 years, Hall of Fame.

So yeah, I wouldn't trade him.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:43 am

This thread is a great example of what I am talking about. It was created after Beckham was already on the major league roster.

Well, and a Cubs fan created it. :lol:

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

This thread was a legitimate question. Not trolling at all.

Im sorry that after 70 games, Sox fans thought this guy was on his way to multiple allstar games and MVP's.

spmack · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:48 am

Chris_in_joliet wrote:

spmack wrote:

Chisox wrote:

Here are my expectations for Beckham:

.290-.300 career hitter. May have a big year here and there, and top out at .320.
Homers: In the 20's every year, may have a couple 30-hr seasons
Extra base hits: In the 60's every year, probably close to 70.
Runs and RBI's: 90-110 every year.
Solid defense at 2B. Above average.
Multiple All-Star appearances.
Team leader type, possible captain.
If he does all this for 15 years, Hall of Fame.

So yeah, I wouldn't trade him.

Agreed on the numbers.....

Spmack.. Are you serious that you think this too? Come on... dont make me think less of you too.

What the hell was I thinking, Chris?

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:48 am

Who said multiple MVP's? Given his first 70 games, to think he would have been an All Star was not crazy at all.

I think its pretty clear that the previous coaching regime did more harm to Beckham than good.

Chris_in_joliet · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:49 am

After reading thru my first few posts in this thread I would like to say that I have successfully gotten over my anger issues.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

BD wrote:

.275, 15-20 HR, and about 75 RBI.

Keyser Soze wrote:

As a floor? He pretty much did that in 103 games last season.

BD wrote:

If he does better, great, but that's my projections for 2010.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:54 am

I saw zero quotes :wink:

20 HRs and 75-80 RBI is good, but not MVP worthy.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:56 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

20 HRs and 75-80 RBI is good, but not MVP worthy.

Beckham may get those this year.

spmack · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:00 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

20 HRs and 75-80 RBI is good, but not MVP worthy.

Beckham may get those this year.

Not likely. He's at 9 and 36 now at the half point. Consider the grind of August and September, and he probably will finish somewhere around 15 and 60. Not bad, but not great.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:05 am

spmack wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

20 HRs and 75-80 RBI is good, but not MVP worthy.

Beckham may get those this year.

Not likely. He's at 9 and 36 now at the half point. Consider the grind of August and September, and he probably will finish somewhere around 15 and 60. Not bad, but not great.

He was terrible in April/March. If he plays like he has the last two months he should get both of those things.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:07 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

To be fair, I thought he'd be really good too

Also, when you posted this topic Beckham already had over 400 big league plate appearances with an OPS over .800. If Rizzo is still over 1.000 after 500 at-bats, I won't look at comparisons to Babe Ruth as quite so insane.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

20 HRs and 75-80 RBI is good, but not MVP worthy.

Beckham may get those this year.

You guys are missing the point. That realistic projection was Mocked for being too low.

Frank, the first response in the thread was an MVP trophy

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:10 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

You guys are missing the point. That realistic projection was Mocked for being too low.

So the point is that a guy was expected to be better than his first half season of play?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

To be fair, I thought he'd be really good too

Also, when you posted this topic Beckham already had over 400 big league plate appearances with an OPS over .800. If Rizzo is still over 1.000 after 500 at-bats, I won't look at comparisons to Babe Ruth as quite so insane.

400 big league at bats!!! Wow. Thats nearly 70% of one season!

and dont reply with the Babe Ruth comparison made by the trolling media. Attributing that to cub fans is just flat out lying.

spmack · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:10 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He was terrible in April/March. If he plays like he has the last two months he should get both of those things.

We'll bump this thread in September.

But my predictions are usually off.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

You guys are missing the point. That realistic projection was Mocked for being too low.

So the point is that a guy was expected to be better than his first half season of play?

The point is a realistic projection was laughed at for being way too low.

spanky · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:13 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Well, and a Cubs fan created it. :lol:

Don't you just hate that?

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Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:13 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

You guys are missing the point. That realistic projection was Mocked for being too low.

So the point is that a guy was expected to be better than his first half season of play?

The point is a realistic projection was laughed at for being way too low.

He said that was his floor, which actually seems somewhat true given Beckham will probably do that this year.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:23 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

To be fair, I thought he'd be really good too

Also, when you posted this topic Beckham already had over 400 big league plate appearances with an OPS over .800. If Rizzo is still over 1.000 after 500 at-bats, I won't look at comparisons to Babe Ruth as quite so insane.

400 big league at bats!!! Wow. Thats nearly 70% of one season!

and dont reply with the Babe Ruth comparison made by the trolling media. Attributing that to cub fans is just flat out lying.

400 at-bats is a pretty good sample. I'd suggest it's a lot different to say a guy who has big league success over that period of time upon being called up has a chance to be pretty good than it is to extrpolate same based on numbers in the PCL.

And it's not flat out lying. More than one Cub fan has suggested they would be disappointed if Rizzo was less than a Hall of Famer.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:25 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

More than one Cub fan has suggested they would be disappointed if Rizzo was less than a Hall of Famer.

I'm disappointed when any Cub turns out to be less than a Hall of Famer.

spanky · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:26 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

More than one Cub fan has suggested they would be disappointed if Rizzo was less than a Hall of Famer.

Have you really? I've never, ever heard the words Hall of Fame associated with Rizzo in any conversation I've had about him.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:29 am

spanky wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

More than one Cub fan has suggested they would be disappointed if Rizzo was less than a Hall of Famer.

Have you really? I've never, ever heard the words Hall of Fame associated with Rizzo in any conversation I've had about him.

You don't have to use the words "Hall of Fame". If you say you expect him to be like a guy who is headed for the Hall of FAme, that makes it pretty clear what your expectations are. I believe I posted a poll on it. I'm sure RPB could pull it up if it suited his agenda.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:30 am

From what I saw last year, I believed Gordon Beckham to be the best defensive second baseman in the AL. I haven't seen anything this year to change my mind.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:30 am

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

More than one Cub fan has suggested they would be disappointed if Rizzo was less than a Hall of Famer.

I'm disappointed when any Cub turns out to be less than a Hall of Famer.

You'll always have 1969. More Hall of Famers than the Yankee Dynasty of the 50s.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He said that was his floor, which actually seems somewhat true given Beckham will probably do that this year.

What are you not getting?

A sox fan laughed at a reasonable projection because they way overvalued a player based on 400 at bats and thought he was an all star.

See, Sox fans ACTUALLY MAKE the ludicrous projections/predictions that are attributed (but never quoted) to Cub fans

Chris Sale is Randy Johnson and Beckham was Joe Morgan

Those are the kind of comparisons JORR uses (Babe Ruth, Willie Mays) that NO CUB FAN has said.

beni hanna · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:33 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

I think its pretty clear that the previous coaching regime did more harm to Beckham than good.

Brilliant. Insert a name HERE.

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