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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:18 am 
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Frank, they shortened his rest in September. This after stating countless times throughout the season that he was a guy who required the full four days.


He has a career postseason ERA over 10. He had 4 days rest before his start in the ALDS for the Sox, full rest his other playoff starts.
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I don't rate wins very high when looking at a pitchers stats...era/whip much more accurate...Pettite is a classic example...getting more run support most starts then his opposition...wins=misleading statistic.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:25 am 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Go back and look at his September 2008 games before you start calling me ignorant.

No need to.

We've gone over this several times, you are just married to your...old school (I think it's ignorant but whatever)thoughts


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:29 am 
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38 wins in 3 seasons...ALL small games


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:49 am 
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On a side note,

Dave Stewart won 20 games four years in a row. On the "Steroids are US" A's but he was kinda older too I think.


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Mr. Belvidere wrote:
On a side note,

Dave Stewart won 20 games four years in a row. On the "Steroids are US" A's but he was kinda older too I think.

And nary a Cy Young Award

Although only 1 season where he had a legit gripe. He ran into some bad seasons.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:51 am 
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No need to.
Because it proves you wrong and me right. I looked them up for you anyway;
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In September 2008, his last 3 starts he went 0-3, and gave up 19 runs in 11.1 innings. He never got into the 5th inning in any of those starts.

And in Game 1 of the ALDS that year, 4.1 innings 8 hits 6 ER. His career postseason ERA is 10.34.

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------------- YEAR ERA W
1 Bobo Newsom 1938 5.07 20
2 Ray Kremer 1930 5.02 20
3 Vern Kennedy 1936 4.63 21
4 George Earnshaw 1930 4.44 22
5 Rick Helling 1998 4.41 20
6 Lefty Gomez 1932 4.21 24
7 Wes Ferrell 1936 4.19 20
8 Tim Hudson 2000 4.14 20
9 David Wells 2000 4.11 20
T10 Jim Merritt 1970 4.08 20
T10 Montie Weaver 1932 4.08 22
12 George Uhle 1922 4.08 22
13 Lew Burdette 1959 4.07 21
14 Billy Hoeft 1956 4.06 20
15 Jack Morris 1992 4.04 21
16 Andy Pettitte 2003 4.02 21
17 Murry Dickson 1951 4.02 20



What's your point? Every one of those guys had a good year.

A lot of the "run support" nonsense comes from the "Steroid Era" (I think the offense had more to do with the ball than the PEDs, but that's a different discussion). In that game Spahn lost nobody talked about a "lack of run support." That was just that day's game and Spahn got beat. There was no hand-wringing and heartbreak like there is today. He might win 1-0 in his next one. That's baseball. I think you'll hear less about "run support" as the game trends back toward more of a balance between pitching and hitting. Games will routinely be lost 3-2 and the guy who pitched worse will most often be on the losing end.


My point is if I'm starting a team with a pitcher as my first pick and it has to be a pitcher, I go with the guy who has a career 3.00 era but may be a .500 pitcher in his years in the league over a guy that has a 4.00 era that may be 10 games over .500 for the same amount of time.

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Mr. Belvidere wrote:

My point is if I'm starting a team with a pitcher as my first pick and it has to be a pitcher, I go with the guy who has a career 3.00 era but may be a .500 pitcher in his years in the league over a guy that has a 4.00 era that may be 10 games over .500 for the same amount of time.


I'll take Catfish Hunter over Joel Horlen every time.

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I don't rate wins very high when looking at a pitchers stats...era/whip much more accurate...Pettite is a classic example...getting more run support most starts then his opposition...wins=misleading statistic.



Are you really suggesting Andy Pettitte was anything but an excellent pitcher?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
I don't rate wins very high when looking at a pitchers stats...era/whip much more accurate...Pettite is a classic example...getting more run support most starts then his opposition...wins=misleading statistic.



Are you really suggesting Andy Pettitte was anything but an excellent pitcher?


He also wouldn't be a fan of Chik-Fil-A.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
312player wrote:
I don't rate wins very high when looking at a pitchers stats...era/whip much more accurate...Pettite is a classic example...getting more run support most starts then his opposition...wins=misleading statistic.



Are you really suggesting Andy Pettitte was anything but an excellent pitcher?


Juiced up phony would be more accurate.

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