Frank, they shortened his rest in September. This after stating countless times throughout the season that he was a guy who required the full four days.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

Go back and look at his September 2008 games before you start calling me ignorant.

just use WAR. makes life easy.

+1,000,000

On a side note,

Dave Stewart won 20 games four years in a row. On the "Steroids are US" A's but he was kinda older too I think.

No need to.

In September 2008, his last 3 starts he went 0-3, and gave up 19 runs in 11.1 innings. He never got into the 5th inning in any of those starts.

And in Game 1 of the ALDS that year, 4.1 innings 8 hits 6 ER. His career postseason ERA is 10.34.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

What's your point? Every one of those guys had a good year.

A lot of the "run support" nonsense comes from the "Steroid Era" (I think the offense had more to do with the ball than the PEDs, but that's a different discussion). In that game Spahn lost nobody talked about a "lack of run support." That was just that day's game and Spahn got beat. There was no hand-wringing and heartbreak like there is today. He might win 1-0 in his next one. That's baseball. I think you'll hear less about "run support" as the game trends back toward more of a balance between pitching and hitting. Games will routinely be lost 3-2 and the guy who pitched worse will most often be on the losing end.

My point is if I'm starting a team with a pitcher as my first pick and it has to be a pitcher, I go with the guy who has a career 3.00 era but may be a .500 pitcher in his years in the league over a guy that has a 4.00 era that may be 10 games over .500 for the same amount of time.

I don't rate wins very high when looking at a pitchers stats...era/whip much more accurate...Pettite is a classic example...getting more run support most starts then his opposition...wins=misleading statistic.

Are you really suggesting Andy Pettitte was anything but an excellent pitcher?

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Are you really suggesting Andy Pettitte was anything but an excellent pitcher?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.