This article should have been written already about the NFL, exchange Bolt for any NFL player.


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/ ... u-know-it/

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He's right.

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It's the selective persecution. All over track and baseball, never touches Football or Basketball.

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Selective listening. I've heard him reference "most of the NFL" being on HGH multiple times.

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Danny, WYC.
I believe Dan only likes watching golf -- when Tiger is in the hunt. There are questions about possible PED usage with Mr. 14 Majors.
PEDs are in issue in several athletic realms, singling out the Olympics seems a little short-sighted.
Dan also talked about returnigg to the sports that matter. Nice little jab at the Olyies (sp.?), but those other sports also having the problem.
The issue is PEDs in all sports, and what can be done to lessen their usage.

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Selective listening. I've heard him reference "most of the NFL" being on HGH multiple times.[/qu
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Yes, I've heard him say that about the NFL before, and I agree. He hasn't done that with anyone in the NBA that I'm aware of. Are Lebron, Kobe, Durant, using HGH? Let's just say I have my opinion. Bernstein and Boers never go there.

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The problem is that Dan blithely excuses NFL doping as an extension of the grand bloodsport of America's Game, but he treats doping in baseball or cycling or track or basically anything else as a crime against humanity that needs to be exposed and punished to the full extent of his hysteria.

There's also the lamentable but utterly predictable fact that he's never uttered the words "HGH" and "NBA" in the same sentence.

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I've never heard it brought up with the NBA, and that's a great point made by others in the thread. I have no reason to defend Bernstein, and I'm not. But I also hate when people create their own bad narrative against him, becoming hypocrites.

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I gotcha. I generally enjoy Dan, to be honest, but he really annoys the ever-loving piss out of me sometimes.

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Of course Bolt is doping. It's impossible to compete at an elite level without doping. It's very similar to Lance Armstrong. Could it really be possible that in sports where every guy is juiced, the only one that isn't just happens to be the best one?

I've raced a lot of top class harness horses. Every jurisdiction has its own rules and regulations regarding medication, but they all pretty much come down to nothing on race day except state-regulated meds like Lasix or Bute. So now we start looking at the definition of "nothing on race day." It can be interpreted in different ways. To most guys it means nothing that will show up in a post-race test. You'll hear old guys talking about racing them on "hay, oats, and water". Let me tell you, if you try that, you're going to go broke in a hurry. So it becomes a matter of constantly pulling blood and making sure whatever you're giving them clears before the test. The really advanced guys use blood builders just like the cyclists. That's why you have anemic horses and so many instances of heart arrhythmia.

Anyway, it's exactly the same for high level human athletes. They're going to push it to the absolute limit. And the money at stake for a guy like Bolt is far greater. And although everyone is doing something, there seems to be some imaginary line that shouldn't be crossed. In horse racing when a guy is winning over a third of his races, that line is apparently crossed. See Lou Pena. In track I have to believe a guy breaking world records while dancing The Macarena and blowing kisses over the last ten meters of a 100 meter race is crossing some line. There will undoubtedly be backlash. In other words, it's okay to cheat. Just don't shove it in everyone else's face.

As far as the NBA and NFL are concerned, of course many guys are doped. Nobody cares because those sports aren't as important as baseball which connects us with the past and the history of our country.

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It's more about the records. Baseball builds up certain records as being important. Track certainly does. I don't even know if there is a single meaningful NFL record out there. When all these QB passing records have been beaten lately most people just shrug and move on.

Track is boring. That gives you time to concentrate on just how artificially enhanced the participants are.

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I don't know if it's boring. It's the most basic of all sports. Who is fastest? I had an argument with my girlfriend during the Olympics about athletes and some of these sports that relatively few people actual play. For example, if you put Cam Newton on skis and taught him how to shoot, he might be the best biathlete in the world. If Wallace Spearmon got on a bike, he might win more Tours than Armstrong. I think the less equipment required, the purer sport. That's why the best athletes in the world are probably soccer or basketball players. Those sports are more accessible to the masses. And everybody can get out and run.

Anyway, a further point is the comparison between the athletes of today and those of the past. No educated person could possibly think man has evolved in two generations. So I think when they say "today's athletes are superior", they really aren't thinking it through. There are more people. And more of them participate in recreational sports. But if you could bring Jim Thorpe or Jesse Owens forth in a time machine and gave them whatever Bolt is taking, they might well run a 9.6.

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Wow. BernSTINE really risking his career by going after the super-secret, hush-hush taboo subject that is drugs and sports.




I think that may be true when it comes to true physical evolution and such but there is more to it than just the PED's. Training, diet, preparation, recovery from injury and the athletes focus on said sport/event/whatever is superior to what was the norm in the 1930's.

The athletes baseline physical talents may not have changed by leaps and bounds but the "other stuff" has.

Yeah, sure that's right. But whoever was here would enjoy the current methods. It's like arguing that Terry's Peeps is a better communicator than Ronald Reagan because Reagan didn't have a Twitter account.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think the biggest difference in athletes has been the sheer numbers of people who try to play and the full time nature of sports. In the 1940s, there just weren't that many people who wanted to play basketball, so the best wouldn't be quite as good. Also, many of them still, even once professional, had to have other jobs. Not to mention, they had to go off to war or work on the farm and you just aren't getting the level of practice that they do now.

The question is when did the generation of players in any sport become "full time". I would guess in the NBA it is the generation of Magic and Bird(basketball was on television, the NCAA tournament existed, and the NBA was at least somewhat popular). It's later for football, and earlier for baseball.

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I hear you...loud and clear.

They've both said plenty of times that they accept that the NFL is a freak show and that most of the league is likely dirty.

Edit: Thanks Drop In.

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I see two sides to this: At the 2011 Illinois High School finals, the winning time for class 1A was 10.79 in the 100M, that time would have placed 6th in a field of 6 in the 1936 Olympics that Owens won. The winning time for the 3A of 10.49 would have won a Bronze in that event. Aside from better training, nutrition, equipment, technology in footwear and surfaces, evolution has to be a factor as well.

Conversely, give Owens or Ralph Metcalfe access to the same training, equipment, nutrition and technology, and I'm sure that their times would improve.

I understand your point but evolution played absolutely no role.

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"There is another place where too many still exist, however, that is as intellectually dishonest as it is willfully ignorant, where convenient blind spots and emotionaI neediness cause otherwise intelligent people to create fairylands of childish naiveté." - Dan Bernstein

And THIS from the charter member of the Theo Epstein ALS Club-Chicago Branch!

As for his assertion that Usain Bolt's achievements aren't exactly "human" , he perhaps should consider his choice of words with a bit more care. His own inner lunkhead is showing, imo.

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Ben Johnson was Jamaican and juiced to the gills as well. Ole' Ben ran a 9.79 and a world record, he was juiced (caught using Winstrol, who knows what else.) and had access to the best regimes. Was his talent, even with the training advances and drugs, only worth a 9.79 100m dash? His subsequent comeback attempts were poor, although I do realize he was a bit older.

In the end, it's about baseline talent and potential. Training, mechanics,diet, drugs and the myriad of other sports sciences will help someone realize it, surpass it or achieve it sooner. And some might just be in the "All Drugs" category.

Ben was Canadian in both the common and CBOT meaning of the word.

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He left his native lands for the Maple Leaf at around 16.

He was born a Jamaican and dammit if he didn't take steroids like a Jamaican as well!

I agree with this for the most part. However, I believe the effect of the population boom on the quality of sports is mitigated, to at least some degree, by the myriad choices available to people. And not simply among sports, but pastimes in general. For example, Lipid appears to be a big, strong fellow. Perhaps we have our generation's Al Oerter right here among us, but he was lost to Track and Field via his obsession with Halo. Or the Eagles.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Interesting. I would go with the period of 1970 - 1975 and the MLBPA gaining strength as the probably the single most important action in them gaining general wealth. For basketball and football, even with additional "options", TV contracts were probably the second largest influence on player wealth followed in the 1980's by the creation of cable outlets reaching a much greater portion of society with discretionary income. Advertising as a whole got much better at spending more money on the sports they deemed their target audience.

Would you believe Bernsy got mentioned this morning...on ESPN Radio's "The Herd with Colin Cowherd", simulcast on ESPNU, DIRECTV 208?

Oh great....

Baby SHARKs are never going to happen if you continue to spend all your time consuming this type of media. ESPNU, really?

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