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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Why take the risk. You notice the story never mentioned whether there the work was either done or being performed, only that some underqualified people were turned away.
The workers were judged qualified by other towns.

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Are all of you under the assumption that these non union crews were doing the work for free? They are there profiteering.

I don't have any problem with the city trying to have some reasonable belief that the work will be done correctly the first time by hiring only those with qualified credentials rather than some carpetbagging hayseeds whose idea of utilities are two soup cans attached by string.


Of course they are going to profit. No one doubts that at all.

But there are ways of verifying their credentials other than just rejecting anyone not in a union. Union employees are not the only ones who know how to get jobs done correctly.


Why take the risk. You notice the story never mentioned whether there the work was either done or being performed, only that some underqualified people were turned away.


Under qualified means no union card then? According to the report, “Derrick Moore, one of the Decatur workers, said they were told by crews in New Jersey that they can’t do any work there since they’re not union employees.”


Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Seaside, NJ
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Why take the risk. You notice the story never mentioned whether there the work was either done or being performed, only that some underqualified people were turned away.
The workers were judged qualified by other towns.


And?

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Are all of you under the assumption that these non union crews were doing the work for free? They are there profiteering.

I don't have any problem with the city trying to have some reasonable belief that the work will be done correctly the first time by hiring only those with qualified credentials rather than some carpetbagging hayseeds whose idea of utilities are two soup cans attached by string.

:lol: :roll:

My reaction as well. One of the more nonsensical posts I have seen from dolphin.

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Why take the risk. You notice the story never mentioned whether there the work was either done or being performed, only that some underqualified people were turned away.
The workers were judged qualified by other towns.


And?
Are you saying that they were wrong judging them as qualified?

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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

Every community that is without union electrician employees has unqualified labor running amok? Come on.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Why take the risk. You notice the story never mentioned whether there the work was either done or being performed, only that some underqualified people were turned away.
The workers were judged qualified by other towns.


And?
Are you saying that they were wrong judging them as qualified?


I don't know that. They could be (although look at how many different ultimately fraudulent companies get qualified by the city of chicago). If they are, does that mean that they are qualified for the differences in standards in a dramatically different town 1,000 miles away?

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 Post subject: Re: Seaside, NJ
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beni hanna wrote:
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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

Every community that is without union electrician employees has unqualified labor running amok? Come on.

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good dolphin wrote:
Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

I have a lot of respect for you and your thoughts but I don't know how else to say this... That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.

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 Post subject: Re: Seaside, NJ
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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

Every community that is without union electrician employees has unqualified labor running amok? Come on.


Qualified is determined by the individual hiring the person. Seaside determines non union to be unqualified. They may be competent. They may not be.

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I don't know that. They could be (although look at how many different ultimately fraudulent companies get qualified by the city of chicago). If they are, does that mean that they are qualified for the differences in standards in a dramatically different town 1,000 miles away?

Yes, that does mean they are qualified. Rescue/construction/repair operations dont change dramatically depending on the environment. They are utilitizing extremely similar skills and equipment no matter where they go.

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I don't know that. They could be (although look at how many different ultimately fraudulent companies get qualified by the city of chicago). If they are, does that mean that they are qualified for the differences in standards in a dramatically different town 1,000 miles away?
A town further away decided they were qualified to help.

Once again, the only "qualification" listed that they didn't have was being in a specific union.

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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

I have a lot of respect for you and your thoughts but I don't know how else to say this... That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.


It really is very basic, so I would have expected you to understand. If only certification by a union is a basis for qualification and a person is not certified then, in Seaside, NJ, that person is adjudged unqualified for city work.

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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

Every community that is without union electrician employees has unqualified labor running amok? Come on.


Qualified is determined by the individual hiring the person. Seaside determines non union to be unqualified. They may be competent. They may not be.

Right. All of us get that. You say to blindly trust the city in this area. I think thats extremely naive/dumb. Rescue/repair workers who aren't in a union are not in any way more or less qualified than a union employee of the same industry. You have to look at their skills/ability. This isn't an issue of them not being qualified, because most towns that arent heavily unionized have found them to be qualified. This is a clear-cut union protecting action. That's it. It's completely void of any pragmatic logic.

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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

I have a lot of respect for you and your thoughts but I don't know how else to say this... That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.


It really is very basic, so I would have expected you to understand. If only certification by a union is a basis for qualification and a person is not certified then, in Seaside, NJ, that person is adjudged unqualified for city work.

Nobody is arguing that. We know that. We are saying that's a very stupid stipulation considering the circumstances. You say it's not. That is the difference and the crux of the debate in this thread, as far as I can tell.

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I don't know that. They could be (although look at how many different ultimately fraudulent companies get qualified by the city of chicago). If they are, does that mean that they are qualified for the differences in standards in a dramatically different town 1,000 miles away?
A town further away decided they were qualified to help.

Once again, the only "qualification" listed that they didn't have was being in a specific union.


Union certification brings with it more than just filling out a card and paying dues. It requires a level of education and expertise with subsequent continuing education. So saying it is the only thing while technically correct, is not entirely accurate.

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Isn't that apparent? The city considers you unqualified if you don't have union employees, so that is unqualified in this situation.

I have a lot of respect for you and your thoughts but I don't know how else to say this... That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board.


It really is very basic, so I would have expected you to understand. If only certification by a union is a basis for qualification and a person is not certified then, in Seaside, NJ, that person is adjudged unqualified for city work.

Nobody is arguing that. We know that. We are saying that's a very stupid stipulation considering the circumstances. You say it's not. That is the difference and the crux of the debate in this thread, as far as I can tell.


Not in the context of benni's question.

Why is it a stupid stipulation? It seems to me the assumption is that the only factor taken into account by the city in that requirement is the power of the union in NJ. I am telling you there are very logical reasons to insist on union workers for government work.

The elephant in the room in this story is whether restoration of power in the city of seaside was demonstably delayed by this decision. It seems pretty clear to me that the answer was purposely avoided by the reporter.

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The union workers in NJ were afraid of being outdone. They didn't want to have to justify their paychecks vs. non-union workers who may likely do a BETTER job.


I tend to hold this opinion as well, especially whenever I see one of those stupid-ass inflatable rats sitting near a new building project.


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Here is your update. NY and NJ are accepting some unqualified laborers from other state utilities.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... -from-n.j/


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It also said it might take 10 days or more to restore power. I would think that with more help power could get fully restored quicker than that.



Read with a more critical eye. It made a general statement that some communities may be without power for up to 10 days. It said nothing about whether this community's ability to have power was delayed in any way...which leads me to believe that it wasn't and that his is some slanted journalism, although I don't have that information.
Wouldn't more people working to restore power to Seaside result in the power getting turn back on quicker?

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It also said it might take 10 days or more to restore power. I would think that with more help power could get fully restored quicker than that.



Read with a more critical eye. It made a general statement that some communities may be without power for up to 10 days. It said nothing about whether this community's ability to have power was delayed in any way...which leads me to believe that it wasn't and that his is some slanted journalism, although I don't have that information.
Wouldn't more people working to restore power to Seaside result in the power getting turn back on quicker?


Not necessarily. There is no reporting in the story that they don't have an adequate amount of people. This story reads like an expose. These expose stories usually start with the harm to taxpayers in big flashy words.

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So you expect me to believe that having more people to remove trees and debris, and having more people fix downed power lines/poles would not get the work done quicker?

I don't buy that for a second.

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it wasnt Cedar Point, but that amusement park was a lot of fun for the kids, right out there on the Atlantic. Seaside Heights at night was a lot of fun all lit up, lots of things to do and great food (certainly not healthy) on the boardwalk. I am glad that i was able to get my family there one time last summer for a quick vacation, and have a cheesesteak at the Midway Steakhouse on the boardwalk. That picture posted above is heartbreaking.


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