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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:51 pm 
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They are currently running a commercial here that says something like "If you lost your car, or your car was damaged from Sandy, we'd like to offer you $1,000 off a lease or the purchase of a new car". Well isn't that nice. Your car is floating in the middle of the ocean on the way to the beaches of Norway, but Toyota is going to help you out by discounting the price of a car by a whole $1,000 and making it clear to EVERYONE that they are doing it.

Thanks for trying to profit off of a tragedy. Maybe next you should offer some 9/11 interest free financing for 12 months or start offering anyone who gets mugged a free extended warranty!

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Wait, in addition to whatever your insurance pays (which you are required to have), they will give you an extra $1k plus incentives?

Ok. Cool. Rejected.

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Wait, in addition to whatever your insurance pays (which you are required to have), they will give you an extra $1k plus incentives?

Ok. Cool. Rejected.
Yeah, and they've done at least 15 commercials today alone that I've seen about it.

Then again, you realize I'm not nominating them for giving an extra $1000, so I find your post disingenuous. See that big word I used leashyourkids?

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Toyota gave $1M to the American Red Cross in response to Hurricane Sandy, more than any of the Big 3 auto manufacturers did. Only BMW and Mercedes gave as much.
...and?

They are still using hurricane sandy to sell more cars to people all around the area.

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Toyota gave $1M to the American Red Cross in response to Hurricane Sandy, more than any of the Big 3 auto manufacturers did. Only BMW and Mercedes gave as much.
...and?
g. yea toy
They are still using hurricane sandy to sell more cars to people all around the area.



that's what car dealers do, sell cars. want these people need cars? should they give them away? at least they are giving them a bone. truth be told, they owe no one anything. yea toyota!


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Toyota gave $1M to the American Red Cross in response to Hurricane Sandy, more than any of the Big 3 auto manufacturers did. Only BMW and Mercedes gave as much.
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g. yea toy
They are still using hurricane sandy to sell more cars to people all around the area.



that's what car dealers do, sell cars. want these people need cars? should they give them away? at least they are giving them a bone. truth be told, they owe no one anything. yea toyota!
Car dealers actively attempt to profit off of natural disasters?

I would guess that .0001% of the people in the area qualify for the offer.

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I really don't see a problem at all with this.

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they made a great contribution with $1 mil. with the insurance and 1k back to the customer it's a win, win. it tragic that these people are put in this position, but, i don't see what they are dong wrong. as for who can and can't afford the cars, your numbers sound like a republican poll.


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they made a great contribution with $1 mil. with the insurance and 1k back to the customer it's a win, win. it tragic that these people are put in this position, but, i don't see what they are dong wrong. as for who can and can't afford the cars, your numbers sound like a republican poll.
They are attempting to profit off of Hurricane Sandy. They built an advertising campaign designed to let everyone know that they are making an offer to those who had a damaged car.

I didn't say they couldn't afford the cars. I said that only .0001% of the people in the area actually qualify for it because it's only for cars that were damaged or lost in the hurricane. Given the tri-state population is over 30 million, I think it's probably about right.

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Everyone who does this "we gave this much for troops...for the veterans" and all the support breast cancer (NFL) and troops (EVERYONE) is all propaganda. Toyota is doing no different.
How does that make me wrong?

Hurricane Sandy is a little different than supporting the troops campaigns in my opinion.

Maybe my perspective is a little different after finding out one of my wifes co-workers no longer has a house. It's literally gone. To see Toyota seeking good will from potential buyers by this campaign just seems wrong to me, especially when it's basically "we'll make less profit on the car".

For the record, they don't mention the donation. That is nice.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota
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I'd rather see my sister in a whorehouse than my brother in a Jap car

Yes, I would hate for my family members to buy a reliable vehicle without having to overpay!

You remind me of Roger Sterling in the Honda Motors meeting.


I think he was joking.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota
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This is nothing new. People look for any reason to make a buck, especially off of national tragedy.

With that being said, I'm driving my car to a pier and pushing that fucker into the Hudson.


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I really don't see a problem at all with this.

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I really don't see a problem at all with this.

Me either.

Wait, you two in lockstep? I bet no one seen that coming......

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I going along with Boilermaker Rick solely on the fact that he chooses to use the phrase Hurricane Sandy. :salut:


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
romante5 wrote:
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Toyota gave $1M to the American Red Cross in response to Hurricane Sandy, more than any of the Big 3 auto manufacturers did. Only BMW and Mercedes gave as much.
...and?
g. yea toy
They are still using hurricane sandy to sell more cars to people all around the area.



that's what car dealers do, sell cars. want these people need cars? should they give them away? at least they are giving them a bone. truth be told, they owe no one anything. yea toyota!
Car dealers actively attempt to profit off of natural disasters?

I would guess that .0001% of the people in the area qualify for the offer.


Y'think they're the only one's? I'm pretty sure those who are shilling flood insurance coverage isn't trying to play off of fears caused by the hurricane.


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In my business there are a lot of electrical distributors who are thrilled with the business outlook & forecast in the Northeast due to Sandy. Same goes for those in the drywall, Electric, plumbing, & carpentry trades.

Barry...putting workers back to work!

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota
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Y'think they're the only one's? I'm pretty sure those who are shilling flood insurance coverage isn't trying to play off of fears caused by the hurricane.
We might as well shut this section down if "others do it too" is a reason to not care about it. Virtually every post made in this section would qualify for that.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota
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Even taking that away, I believe the board, as a majority, has ruled that this isn't douchebag worthy. They didn't need to discount anything for customers. Customers would need to buy cars anyways. This just makes it $1000 cheaper to go with a Toyota.

What would have been douchebag worthy is if the dealers would have knocked up all cars in the region with a $1000 Dealer Convenience package.
Do you honestly think my issue is that Toyota is offering cars for an extra $1,000 off?

Just think about that for a second.

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If an advert is not an option, how else would you expect Toyota to get this deal info out to prospective buyer's? Telegraph? Biplane with trailing message? Crop circles?
They could inform people when they come in. They could inform the local authorities of the towns that sustained damage. They could put a message up on their website. We live in an age where getting your message out isn't tough. Other car companies are offering extra rebates too. There was not a single advertisement for it.
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So help clarify this for me, my good fellow. You're okay with the deal...but you're not okay with them telling the people who would be interested in the deal about the deal. Gotcha.
In my opinion, they are using the advertisements to build good will among everyone in the area. That's why the advertisement ran about 30 times on Sunday. I'm pretty sure anyone who lost a car because of Sandy noticed it the first time or two.

I understand if you disagree, but you have to understand that my issue is not with the actual program, but with what I considered a disingenuous campaign to use this nice program to build good will and sell cars to those who didn't have damage to a car. Aren't you a marketing guy? Can't you see that they were intending to do just that? They wanted to make sure that everyone who lives in the area knows that they are making the amazing offer of making $1,000 less of profit for anyone who had a car damaged in Sandy.

I think people are caught up with the whole "It's just a nice thing to do" not factoring in that it's simply another advertising campaign designed to sell more cars.

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So to put it in clear terms - you are upset that Toyota's marketing is accomplishing everything you could want in one simple advertisement.
I don't know how else to say it. I'm upset they are actively attempting to profit off of a natural disaster. I understand if you have no issue with that.

It probably will work for them. I think "As long as your attempt to make money is successful, it means there is nothing wrong with it" is a poor way to judge things.

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Stop re-stating your point Rick, it was spot on from the beginning.

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I think people are caught up with the whole "It's just a nice thing to do" not factoring in that it's simply another advertising campaign designed to sell more cars.

I think most people realize it's just an advertising campaign designed to sell more cars, and it's also a nice thing to do, which is why a lot of us dont agree with the nomination.

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You sound like one of today's B&B callers. Let's try a different approach.

Can we stipulate that traffic and sales are down at the NE toyota dealers because of the hurricane? Then it also stands to reason if traffic is down then their hardworking employees loose hours, commission and pay because, like any business, if sales are bad then employees are cut. And these same employees with reduced hours may also be dealing with their own hurricane damage.

So by doing this promo Toyota is also helping their own employees earn a living. Why is that bad? In fact you ought to be giving Toyota a shoutout.

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Lots of arguing here against points I'm not making. I'll take Brian's advice.

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I really don't see a problem at all with this.

Me either.

Wait, you two in lockstep? I bet no one seen that coming......

:roll:

At least this is a step up from a standard spmack "I'm disappointed in two posters here" post.

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Odd beef. It's win-win and good marketing. Denied!


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