It doesn't matter what I say, Rick. You are going to come back with "so ignore everything because the Bears are 7-2." You've already done that twice in this thread this morning.

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That's pretty much what you said though. That's why I said it twice.

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No. As mediocre as Cutler is, Grossman was worse. Cutler's rating with the Bears is about 82; Rex's was 70.

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I disagree, I think our run blocking (particularly on the right side of the line, is pretty good. Much better than the pass blocking. I think Jay Cutler just has an ego problem where he thinks that he and Brandon Marshall are Montana/Rice and they only need those two on the field. That is why he checks out of every run play and that is why he forces the ball to Marshall on half of his passes.

Cutler has been knocked out of 4 or 5 of his last 20 games is the stat I heard on the radio yesterday I believe.

Out of their last 20 games how many times have Eli Manning, Peyton Manning,Tom Brady,Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers been knocked out of a game combined? I believe the answer is 1(fucking Rodgers had to mess that up for everyone). There is a reason they signed the best available backup they could, it's because they have zero faith in Cutler staying healthy anymore.

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Sure he could pass it to Hester and he would eventually be open but Jay doesn't have that amount of time for Hester to remember what exactly he's supposed to be doing during that play.

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The Bears haven't won a game this year because of Cutler. The loss to GB could rightfully be blamed on his play. That's been the issue since he's been here. He's personally cost the Bears about 10 games and I can't recall a game where he put the team on his back. He lacks the leadership of guys like Orton and Grossman too. The guy has all the talent in the world but his ego is too big and he's too stubborn to get out of his own way. It's beyond frustrating for me.

The Cowboy game in 2010, the GB win in 2010, the win at Det in 2010, the Charger win last year were games that the Bears won with minimal help from the running game.

Where was Forte against the Texans? The difference in that game wasn't the QB's since the Qb's from both teams sucked. But Foster ran for over 100 years while Forte ran for 38. If Forte is the best offensive playe on this team, as some people say, then he needs to step up his game too.

I'd be careful using present tense here.

Bears strength of schedule, first 8 games: 30th in NFL
Bears strength of schedule, last 8 games: 2nd in NFL

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I am not worried about Jay Cutler.

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Excellent.

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Oh no you didn't!!!!!


We are fucked now

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Yeah, but at least the Bears have beaten the good teams they have faced so far. Oh wait...

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Actually it works out good for the Bears and Jay.

At least until the Superbowl.

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4th quarter against the Panthers was pretty good QB play.

The defense won that game. He had a nice drive to set up the FG. That isn't putting the team on your back.

Cutler hasn't thrown in interception in only 2 games this season. As much as he wanted his old offense back he's been sacked 6 more times this season than he was during the same time period last season. He's only thrown for more than 186 yards 4 times this season and has thrown for 150 yards or less 3 times. He has more turnovers than touchdowns too. He has 500 fewer yards too.


The defense was huge in the Chargers game last year. They put the game away with interceptions. If you recall Cutler was injured throwing his usual pick.

In the Lions game the defense held the Lions to 14 points (this was the game that Calvin Johnson's touchdown was wiped out) and Forte had over 200 yards from scrimmage. They won this game 19-14 and Cutler had 2 turnovers. One of his 2 touchdowns was all Forte on an 89 yard touchdown on a screen pass.

In the Dallas game the Bears picked Romo off twice and Tillman forced a fumble. Once again the defense set the table. This was the only game that Cutler didn't throw an interception in.

I looked back at the GB game and Hester ran back a touchdown and the defense played a hell of a game. Cutler didn't put the team on his back. A penalty wiped out Cutler's 2nd interception of the game. Because of that the Bears kicked the winning FG.


Once again none of these were games where Cutler put the team on his back. The defense and/or special teams set the table in all of these game. He hasn't had the moment yet despite all the talent he has. Kyle Orton did more in Denver with Marshall and mediocre running backs than Cutler has done since he's been in Chicago. This is a fact. The excuses really need to stop. We all have eyes and can look back on the games we forgot about.

Nas, I know what you're saying, but I can't do it. I can't. I know I sound like a broken record, and a Cutler apologist. But I'm watching the same games you are, and look, Tice has two TE's in on almost every stinking play. Not because of their great pass catching abilities, but to help Webb and Carimi, who are terrible. And as you'll admit, the TE's can't block either. Use your DVR to re-watch them again after each play. The blocking sucks.

Not just on pass plays. I'd like to see stats on the frequency of running backs being hit in the backfield. I bet Forte is at the top of the league.

So on passing plays you've got 7 players on the field that aren't going to catch the ball. And often on obvious passing downs, Forte stays in too, to chip block anyone that the front 7 misses. All of this makes the few remaining receivers incredibly easy to cover.

I know. Yes, I am tired of making excuses all the time. I truly am. But until I see reason not to, I have to stick with what I'm seeing on the field.

And if the defense is responsible for all the Bears success, why are they 14-4 in games Cutler plays, and 1-6 in games he doesn't, over the past two years?

I think if the D plays well on Monday and Campbell doesn't try and do too much the Bears can win on Monday. Smith may be out as well.

HE should miss at least one game. BE careful with this. I don't want to be watching channel 2 interviewing him in 20 years and being like Jim McMahon.

And as far as the Cutler sucks crowd. Your boyfriend Orton is in Dallas. Go watch him on the bench.

Improving the receiving corp and such without improving the line would be like remodeling your entire house and keeping the same paint.

Remember when Obama won?

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Since you're an Orton fan not a Bears fan go watch him on the bench in Dallas.

You are an Orton fan. Since he's no longer on the Bears it means you aren't a Bears fan. Anyone that would prefer the Bears have Orton at this point has an obvious manlove for neckbeards.

McNeil was going on and on on Monday (I wonder if Ms. Mac knows about Dan and Kyle) about winning important games. Well if winning playoff games meant anything to Bears fans we'd want Grossman back not Orton. But Kyle smiled at the camera and was grindy.

And it's past November 1st. Kyle doesn't win in pressure past November 1st.


Remember he was 1-2 with the same team in Denver the sainted Tebow was 5-8 with. If Tebow can outperform you you aren't good.

I already gave up my Bears fandom. When the Bears cut Jay Cutler will you start rooting for the Jaguars?

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Grossman sucked, always has always will..just because you win the game does not mean the QB played well..the Bears won in spite of that scrub Wrecks...Orton is slightly better than Rex..Cutler slightly better than Orton..none are very good..I want the bears to sever ties with jay when his deal finishes next year.

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24Guy he didn't get sacked last game and had all day to throw but he still ended up with 40 yards passing in the 1st half. I remind you they were facing the best pass rusher in football. They're not max protecting on every play either. I see more empty backfield plays than max protect. I would say 1/3 of the sacks are on him. He routinely holds the ball too long. He suckage in the passing game hurts the running game and forces the defense to cover his ass. It's really indisputable at this point. We've seen it for 4 years now. Every year there was a new excuse. Now with him having everything he wanted EXCEPT 15 seconds to throw the ball and a mulligan for all his turnovers he's still sucking. This may be his worst season even though he was primarily responsible for 5 or 6 losses his first season here.

The Bears are 1-6 in the last 2 seasons without him because Forte was also out and they didn't have a college caliber QB on their roster. Even if you don't recall many of the games over the last few seasons you can go back and look at the box scores. Even on a good percentage of his touchdowns the defense sets it up. It's not hard to score when you're on your opponents 30 or in the red zone and he's near the bottom of the league when it comes to that. He's Tony Romo 2.0.

Cutler needs to play better.

Nas, you seem to ignore everything else wrong with the offense though. The Oline has been putrid for the most part all season. Marshall is the only dependable WR on this team and even saying that he has dropped at least 2 (maybe 3) TD passes. The tight ends might as well not even be out there. Matt Forte got his money, and overall has had a pretty poor season.

The QB play needs to be better, but there are many many problems on this offense that would still be glaring issues for the Bears even if Cutler was playing at a pro bowl level.

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There are no problems on offense. We are 7-2! Go Bears!

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It all starts with him. He has everything he wants and he's still having his worst season. Forte has played on 1 leg for most of the season. They really couldn't feature him because of that. He's still been pretty good. The line hasn't looked like the Patriots O-line in the early 2000's but it hasn't been as bad as some of you say it's been. I've heard every excuse in the world for why Cutler isn't playing the way we all expected he would. Will the absence of Knox be next?

Nas, I didn't make a single excuse for Cutler there. I am pointing out that there are other problems with the offense that you seem to ignore. You want to make Cutler out to be the scapegoat and that is just flat out not the case.

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