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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:40 pm 
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I'm not talking people who don't want to shop/hate the hype around today's shopping fest. I'm talking those who protested in front of Walmarts because of the employees having to work on Thanksgiving evening/overnight for "such little money."

Never mind they ignore all the rest of the places that opened last night/midnight like Sears, Best Buy, Abt, HH Gregg, Macy's, JCPenny, Target, Carsons, Kmart, McDonalds, Subway, etc that ALSO don't have unions. (Shhh, don't bring facts to light. Protesters don't like facts.)

And here I was thinking those who MUST go out shopping at 8pm on Thanksgiving night are the biggest morons out there, but by God, those who PROTEST during the sales take the prize of biggest morons out there.


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I only protest when the weather is nice.


I noticed that the protesters outside Dave and Busters folded up pretty quickly when the wind got to be too much for them today.


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I will agree that anyone protesting on Thanksgiving so others dont have to work, thats just dumb.

I did hear a Walmart rep say that it is "Just understood" that if you are working at Walmart during the Holidays you will be asked to work on Thanksgiving. Which might be one of the dumber statements I have ever heard! As I have a feeling some attorney might find some other things that he feels are "Just Understood" like 4x's times pay? double vacation etc.

Which should be the simple remedy. I do believe workers should get more money for those days worked and it should be on a volunteer basis...then no issues would exist.

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I did hear a Walmart rep say that it is "Just understood" that if you are working at Walmart during the Holidays you will be asked to work on Thanksgiving. Which might be one of the dumber statements I have ever heard!.


Just as dumb as the employee assuming they would just get the day off.

However, I fucking hate Walmart. I hope the employees strike and Walmart is forced to pay them more. Walmart kills small businesses and is bad for america


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I'm talking those who protested in front of Walmarts because of the employees having to work on Thanksgiving evening/overnight for "such little money."

Never mind they ignore all the rest of the places that opened last night/midnight like Sears, Best Buy, Abt, HH Gregg, Macy's, JCPenny, Target, Carsons, Kmart, McDonalds, Subway, etc that ALSO don't have unions. (Shhh, don't bring facts to light. Protesters don't like facts.)
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The workers come from Magnificent Mile stores that include Macy’s, Forever 21, All Saints, Chipotle, Protein Bar and Au Bon Pain. They formed a union last week, the Workers Organizing Committee of Chicago. Their protest Friday included stops along the Magnificent Mile and State Street, two prime downtown shopping districts.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Frontman wrote:
I'm talking those who protested in front of Walmarts because of the employees having to work on Thanksgiving evening/overnight for "such little money."

Never mind they ignore all the rest of the places that opened last night/midnight like Sears, Best Buy, Abt, HH Gregg, Macy's, JCPenny, Target, Carsons, Kmart, McDonalds, Subway, etc that ALSO don't have unions. (Shhh, don't bring facts to light. Protesters don't like facts.)
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The workers come from Magnificent Mile stores that include Macy’s, Forever 21, All Saints, Chipotle, Protein Bar and Au Bon Pain. They formed a union last week, the Workers Organizing Committee of Chicago. Their protest Friday included stops along the Magnificent Mile and State Street, two prime downtown shopping districts.


Just because they formed a union does not mean its recognized by their employers. You can get a group together at any workplace, form a union, and the management/owners can say we don't acknowledge it as a union and that kills that.

Look, I'm in a union, I'm all for union work, but I'm sorry; I also think union should mean a standard of quality employee and quality work. A LOT of people who work at Walmart (as well as other places mentioned) I wouldn't trust to keep an eye on a pet, much less consider them to be hired to work alongside me in my union. Some of them can't spell cat if you spot them the C and the T.

Jobs such as Walmart cashiers and what not? That's not a career, nor should you view it as such.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:56 pm 
Frontman wrote:

Just because they formed a union does not mean its recognized by their employers. You can get a group together at any workplace, form a union, and the management/owners can say we don't acknowledge it as a union and that kills that.

Look, I'm in a union, I'm all for union work, but I'm sorry; I also think union should mean a standard of quality employee and quality work. A LOT of people who work at Walmart (as well as other places mentioned) I wouldn't trust to keep an eye on a pet, much less consider them to be hired to work alongside me in my union. Some of them can't spell cat if you spot them the C and the T.

Jobs such as Walmart cashiers and what not? That's not a career, nor should you view it as such.

Is this irony day on the board? First we have Chas employed as a socialist and Frontman is in a Union but doesn't want Wal Mart workers to have the right to form a union because he thinks they are stupid?


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bigfan wrote:
I did hear a Walmart rep say that it is "Just understood" that if you are working at Walmart during the Holidays you will be asked to work on Thanksgiving. Which might be one of the dumber statements I have ever heard!.


Just as dumb as the employee assuming they would just get the day off.

However, I fucking hate Walmart. I hope the employees strike and Walmart is forced to pay them more. Walmart kills small businesses and is bad for america


Walmart is good for America. If other businesses want to compete, they should lower their prices. This is capitalism at its best. #Truth

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or sell better stuff at their stores.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:07 pm 
Well that answers that.


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bigfan wrote:
or sell better stuff at their stores.


I could not agree more. Blaming other businesses for your failure as an owner is one of the things wrong with America. #Truth

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Just because they formed a union does not mean its recognized by their employers. You can get a group together at any workplace, form a union, and the management/owners can say we don't acknowledge it as a union and that kills that.

Look, I'm in a union, I'm all for union work, but I'm sorry; I also think union should mean a standard of quality employee and quality work. A LOT of people who work at Walmart (as well as other places mentioned) I wouldn't trust to keep an eye on a pet, much less consider them to be hired to work alongside me in my union. Some of them can't spell cat if you spot them the C and the T.

Jobs such as Walmart cashiers and what not? That's not a career, nor should you view it as such.

Is this irony day on the board? First we have Chas employed as a socialist and Frontman is in a Union but doesn't want Wal Mart workers to have the right to form a union because he thinks they are stupid?


Let them form an official union. I certainly wouldn't want to work alongside most of them.

However, those who show up to protest who don't work for Wal Mart? Go get a fucking life. I'm sure they have iPhones (made in China,) wear clothes from The North Face (again, made in China and El Salvador,) drive "eco-friendly" cars like Hyundai (Korean,) yet will ignore those facts, but will piss on Wal Mart because the owner happens to vote Republican. Hell, if they were at least honest about that fact, I'd at least respect them for being honest. But this whole "Wal Mart ruins Mom and Pop stores" yet Lowes/Ace/Menards/Home Depot/Target/Sears/Kohl's/Best Buy somehow don't effect Mom and Pop stores in these numbskullz minds is beyond me.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:16 pm 
you really honestly think that the protests wouldn't be happening if the Walton family were Democrats?

Wow. You have a fucked up world view man.


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you really honestly think that the protests wouldn't be happening if the Walton family were Democrats?

Wow. You have a fucked up world view man.


That is correct. These American hating people do not care what democrats do. Where is Code Pink now? Why are they not protesting Obummer's wars? They just hate real Americans. #Truth

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Baby McNown wrote:
you really honestly think that the protests wouldn't be happening if the Walton family were Democrats?

Wow. You have a fucked up world view man.


Were there protests in front of Best Buy?

Target?

Lowes?

I didn't see protests in front of Costco this weekend, I saw protests in front of Wal Mart.

Nobody was protesting in front of Sears when my wife had to work on Thanksgiving night.

Show me where you see someone saying Sears is bad for America, because it put Mom and Pop stores out of business.

Trust me, it isn't "fucked up," its just what people cling to.

Wal Mart is an easy target for the protesters, due to the Walton's political slant. The protesters don't think, they react to what they feel is a "wrong" in the world, ignoring all the other wrongs that are just as bad.


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or sell better stuff at their stores.


Pretty hard when Walmart sells basically every major brand of product. The only chance a small business and specialty shop has is with great customer service.. And, unfortunately, even with great service, more and more customers are leaving the specialty shop after they receive the product knowledge to go elsewhere to buy for less - whether that be Walmart, or the internet.


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or sell better stuff at their stores.


Pretty hard when Walmart sells basically every major brand of product. The only chance a small business and specialty shop has is with great customer service.. And, unfortunately, even with great service, more and more customers are leaving the specialty shop after they receive the product knowledge to go elsewhere to buy for less - whether that be Walmart, or the internet.


You do not believe in capitalism?

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Frontman wrote:
Just because they formed a union does not mean its recognized by their employers. You can get a group together at any workplace, form a union, and the management/owners can say we don't acknowledge it as a union and that kills that.

Look, I'm in a union, I'm all for union work, but I'm sorry; I also think union should mean a standard of quality employee and quality work. A LOT of people who work at Walmart (as well as other places mentioned) I wouldn't trust to keep an eye on a pet, much less consider them to be hired to work alongside me in my union. Some of them can't spell cat if you spot them the C and the T.

Jobs such as Walmart cashiers and what not? That's not a career, nor should you view it as such.


Post of the year type stuff there Frontman.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:21 pm 
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Baby McNown wrote:
you really honestly think that the protests wouldn't be happening if the Walton family were Democrats?

Wow. You have a fucked up world view man.


Were there protests in front of Best Buy?

Target?

Lowes?

I didn't see protests in front of Costco this weekend, I saw protests in front of Wal Mart.

Nobody was protesting in front of Sears when my wife had to work on Thanksgiving night.

Show me where you see someone saying Sears is bad for America, because it put Mom and Pop stores out of business.

Trust me, it isn't "fucked up," its just what people cling to.

Wal Mart is an easy target for the protesters, due to the Walton's political slant. The protesters don't think, they react to what they feel is a "wrong" in the world, ignoring all the other wrongs that are just as bad.

Right. They are reacting to something they see as wrong. You should be applauding them for it. Instead you are saying they are picking on the Waltons because they are Republican. Party affiliation has absofuckinglutley nothing to do with it. Except for those like you who want to turn it into part of the issue.


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Baby McNown wrote:
Frontman wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
you really honestly think that the protests wouldn't be happening if the Walton family were Democrats?

Wow. You have a fucked up world view man.


Were there protests in front of Best Buy?

Target?

Lowes?

I didn't see protests in front of Costco this weekend, I saw protests in front of Wal Mart.

Nobody was protesting in front of Sears when my wife had to work on Thanksgiving night.

Show me where you see someone saying Sears is bad for America, because it put Mom and Pop stores out of business.

Trust me, it isn't "fucked up," its just what people cling to.

Wal Mart is an easy target for the protesters, due to the Walton's political slant. The protesters don't think, they react to what they feel is a "wrong" in the world, ignoring all the other wrongs that are just as bad.

Right. They are reacting to something they see as wrong. You should be applauding them for it. Instead you are saying they are picking on the Waltons because they are Republican. Party affiliation has absofuckinglutley nothing to do with it. Except for those like you who want to turn it into part of the issue.


Way to ignore the big picture BabyMcNown. Why do the protesters ignore all the other stores I mentioned? Why is it that all these protests slant towards Wal Mart?

They have had it drummed into them that Wal Mart is the source of all these Mom and Pop stores going under, all the while ignoring all the other non-union corporations that have moved into the smaller market areas.

Let's keep it to one store, one I'm familiar with and their policies, and that would be Sears. Again, where were the protestors Thursday night as I dropped my wife off to work at Sears? Where have you ever heard Sears was bad for America? Sears has not only bought products from manufacturers with overseas construction, their HR department is now handled by a call center in India, for crying out loud!

Where's the outrage there? Where are the unions, who have carried Craftsman tools into the workplace for the past 100+ years, showing up to state the outrage? Where are the protest lines, and the inflatable rats, and the "shame on you, Sears" signs? Were they out there and I just missed them?

Or is it just easier to listen to those talking head morons on the TV (also made in China/Singapore/Taiwan/etc) and show up in front of your local Sam's Club/Wal Mart because, "They are so anti-union/American?"

Face it Baby Mc, no matter how you spin this, Wal Mart gets the crosshairs placed on them because its an easy target. Its been a target for years. But instead of looking at all of the sources of this so-called "evil" that Wal Mart seems to represent? It would actually show a bit of intelligence on our part, instead of clinging to soundbytes that come out of the TV/radio and following along like the proverbial lambs to slaughter.

The problem basically all of this is us, the American consumer If we weren't so insistent on having the latest/greatest/best thing for the cheapest amount?

We would still be seeing a lot more made here in the States versus being shipped in from overseas.


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So... we should be willing to pay more for less shit?

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So... we should be willing to pay more for less shit?


Or we should shut up about how "wrong" it is and stop living a two-faced lie. Either target all of them, or STFU about how ONE out of all them are so bad.

I personally have no problem with buying products from Wal Mart. Nobody put a gun to the workers heads and said, "Work here or else."

It would be like me bitching about how cold/hot it is when I deliver out in the elements. I'm a mail carrier. If I wanted to always be comfortable and out of the elements, I can always go find another job. In the meantime, I should shut up and just do what I have to do to earn my pay.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:30 pm 
I haven't spun shit there skippy.

Walmart pays their employees dick and does everything in their power to stop them from unionizing. You as this proud union member should be outraged by this. But we can tell from the way you are posting that you have an attitude of disdain for the workers. Somehow, somebody made you god and gave you the power to decide who has the right to unionize and who doesn't.

Where does the political affiliation of the Waltons fit into this again? Except in your addled little brain?


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I haven't spun shit there skippy.

Walmart pays their employees dick and does everything in their power to stop them from unionizing. You as this proud union member should be outraged by this. But we can tell from the way you are posting that you have an attitude of disdain for the workers. Somehow, somebody made you god and gave you the power to decide who has the right to unionize and who doesn't.

Where does the political affiliation of the Waltons fit into this again? Except in your addled little brain?


Again,

All the other stores also block union efforts and pay little. I'm more outraged that people gravitate to protesting Wal Mart, versus protesting the rest of them.

And the political affliation has been the grounds for the protest since day one. Again, unions aren't helping out Best Buy employees now, are they?


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So... we should be willing to pay more for less shit?
Yes. We really should.

Is it really worth saving an extra 30 cents on a hot pocket with how the savings are created?

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Jobs such as Walmart cashiers and what not? That's not a career, nor should you view it as such.


The irony here is that a grocery cashier was a career at one time. Men raised families by working in grocery stores. Walmart is one of the factors that killed that. But people have to take some blame themselves. They'll wring their hands over the fact that Hoffy and Mommy's corner store is going out of business as they're driving past it to save ten cents at Costco.

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I shop local when I can. I'll get my veggies and my holiday pumpkins at Krugers instead of Jewel.

Now, I didn't just see the guy who was against going with a local startup hvac outfit, preferring to go with the big name shop, giving people grief for shopping at costco rather than the local family owned business... Did I?

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