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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:09 pm 
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Wouldn't a guy like Trestman be a better hire than some of the other candidates because he has actually been a Head Coach of a team and had some success? I mean I get it is an inferior league. But in reality has not Trestman had more success as a head coach than Chip Kelly? What has Kelly won?

I am not advocating them hiring Trestman either, but I would rather than have him over the Special teams coaches from Atlanta or Dallas

I dont think winning the grey cup or whatever it is in the CFL really means anything. I really dont know how it compares to having success in the NCAA, so I really cant answer that question. Trestman is probably better than Singletary, and might be better than the ST coaches. I still think he is a terrible candidate and I would love to see the Bears hire him or one of those other candidates much more than I would like them to hire a guy like McCoy, Kelly, Sullivan, Zimmer, Arians, etc. Every candidate is hit or miss, but the chances of miss are much greater, imo, with guys like Trestman, Singletary, or ST coaches.

And with Chip Kelly, it's not so much about his overall lack of NCAA championships. Ever since he has been with Oregon as OC and HC he has transformed their offense, has shown to be a genuinely innovative offensive mind in a football world severely lacking those, and has had Oregon as a pretty much universal top 5 program since he was promoted to HC. Maybe it's because NCAA football is more visible to us casually, but I think it's alot easier to identify his potential strengths as a head coach than it is with a guy like Trestman.

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Chip Kelly is a gimmick coach. I don't think his offensive ideas will play in the NFL.


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Chip Kelly is a gimmick coach. I don't think his offensive ideas will play in the NFL.

Very possible. He doesn't seem as stubborn as Spurrier, but if he is then you'll be 100% correct.

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Here are the Great Jerry Angelo draft picks since 2006. Not one single star Offensive or Defensive player. A few average players like Forte, Olsen, Melton. A whole lot of suck. Oh, and Hester.

BRING BACK JERRY ANGELO!!! :lol:

2006
2 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian
2 57 Devin Hester DB Miami
3 73 Dusty Dvoracek DL Oklahoma
4 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State
5 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama
6 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma
6 200 Tyler Reed OG Penn State

2007
1 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami
2 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan
3 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois
3 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford
4 130 Josh Beekman OG Boston College
5 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe
5 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire
7 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi
7 241 Aaron Brant OT Iowa State

2008
1 14 Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
2 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane
3 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
3 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas
4 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State
5 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska
5 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State
7 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State
7 222 Chester Adams OG Georgia
7 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State
7 247 Kirk Barton OT Ohio State
7 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas

2009
3 68 Jarron Gilbert DT San Jose State
3 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma
4 105 Henry Melton DE Texas
4 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt
5 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian
5 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State
6 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State
7 246 Lance Louis OG San Diego State
7 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh

2010
3 75 Major Wright DB Florida
4 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern
5 141 Joshua Moore DB Kansas State
6 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan
7 218 J’Marcus Webb OT West Texas A&M

2011
1 29 Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin
2 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
3 93 Christopher Conte DB California
5 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho
6 195 J.T. Thomas LB West Virginia

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Half those guys still play in the NFL.


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Now he'll say, "Oh you didn't hire an editor for your book?!"

Yeah, you probably did. Doesn't mean you didn't write it yourself.

I didn't, but in any event, the accusation was made well before the book came out (or anyone knew about the book).

Even better, he wouldn't even make the accusation as Scorehead. He did it as Terry's Guy, in case he got called on it. Well, he did get called on it, and everyone knew who it was.

I'll post the thread when I get home tonight. It's in my PMs but I'm on my phone.


For the record, there were a few other board members who accused you of posting messages here that were merely copy & paste jobs.
Having said that, I have no interest in a childish internet posting war. Have at it if you so desire. I have better things to do like gaze at my picture of Phil Emery.

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You could fire Angelo on the 2007 draft alone.

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Half those guys still play in the NFL.


Sooo half don't?

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Scorehead wrote:
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Half those guys still play in the NFL.


Sooo half don't?


I think half is pretty good for the NFL. I don't really pay attention to other teams drafts. But it would appear that 50% is pretty good.

That being said, very few are really high caliber players.


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All this hysteria over the amount of interviewees and who it is is silly. Emery is doing this to leave no stone unturned while saving himself from the questioning, "why didn't you interview so and so?" if his HC pick fails.


Do you anticipate a lot of "Why didn't you hire Marc Trestman" complaints in 2016?


If Emery's pick fails, I fully expect the stupid media to ask, "why didn't you interview/hire (insert flavor of the month coach's name here)?"

I believe Emery will choose the best option possible for the Bears. While him interviewing Singletary makes my eyes roll up into my skull, it's purely for show as is interviewing the ST coordinators. Maybe Emery is picking their brains for information on OC's or other coaches not talked about or approached yet. These interviews are like the appetizers before the meal. Once Green Bay wins the SB, I expect the interviews to be fast and furious with real candidates.

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Interviewing Singletary also helps satify the Rooney Rule.


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Interviewing Singletary also helps satify the Rooney Rule.


They've already done that. I'm wondering if Samurai might just end up on the Bears Defensive staff as LB coach or something.

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Interviewing Singletary also helps satify the Rooney Rule.


They've already done that. I'm wondering if Samurai might just end up on the Bears Defensive staff as LB coach or something.


That'd be dumb.

He wasn't good enough to remain the Vikings LB coach after last year. Les Frazier had to make up a job title for him this year.

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Interviewing Singletary also helps satify the Rooney Rule.


They've already done that. I'm wondering if Samurai might just end up on the Bears Defensive staff as LB coach or something.


When you fire a black coach, it can't hurt doubling down when it comes to the Rooney Rule.


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Interviewing Singletary also helps satify the Rooney Rule.


They've already done that. I'm wondering if Samurai might just end up on the Bears Defensive staff as LB coach or something.


That'd be dumb.

He wasn't good enough to remain the Vikings LB coach after last year. Les Frazier had to make up a job title for him this year.


I agree. I'm just saying...

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This has turned into like the worst thread ever.

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Hatchetman wrote:
This has turned into like the worst thread ever.

Scorehead has posted in it numerous times.

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This has turned into like the worst thread ever.

Scorehead has posted in it numerous times.


And jimmypasta started it.

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Hatchetman wrote:
This has turned into like the worst thread ever.

I still dont think it's worse than the "Bernsie is bad at fucking his wife" thread, but there's still time.

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This has turned into like the worst thread ever.

I still dont think it's worse than the "Bernsie is bad at fucking his wife" thread, but there's still time.


That one was worse on nadir value, but this one beats it for long-term shittiness.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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This has turned into like the worst thread ever.

Scorehead has posted in it numerous times.
And jimmypasta started it.
And there was mention of a Trumaine McBride and a Juaquin Iglesias.

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You could fire Angelo on the 2007 draft alone.


Just look at that list. Bazuin, Wolfe and Okwo were actually drafted before the 6th round. That has to be up there as one of the all-time worse draft classes in Bears history.


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You could fire Angelo on the 2007 draft alone.


Just look at that list. Bazuin, Wolfe and Okwo were actually drafted before the 6th round. That has to be up there as one of the all-time worse draft classes in Bears history.


And I would say that every GM that has ever led a team has a draft very similar.

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RFDC wrote:
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You could fire Angelo on the 2007 draft alone.


Just look at that list. Bazuin, Wolfe and Okwo were actually drafted before the 6th round. That has to be up there as one of the all-time worse draft classes in Bears history.


And I would say that every GM that has ever led a team has a draft very similar.


It would be one thing if it was just one bad draft, but it wasn't. It was 6 horrendous drafts in a row.

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